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Jim,
I find this statement I pulled out of your communication with Ron here very cool:[I will tell you why below]
Jim-"Nothing had been hidden between them and God before they sinned, but immediately after, they became aware of a shameful sense of that former openness they had with the Creator, and that's why they attempted to clothe themselves. When we can be convinced that our nakedness, that is, our openness before God and one another is shameful we will attempt to cover it. This passage fits the sense of what I'm getting at here:
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace to help in time of need.
(Hebrews 4:13-16)
Here is why I like it. You reference Hebrews. In Hebrews the author is communicating the forgiveness of the One chosen by The Father. In other words the book is talking about the removal of sin. Were does this lack of "confidence" or shame come from? What does the need to hide in fear connect to? We can not withstand this truth[of being plain to God] without the knowledge of sins removal through the Son of God, otherwise we are thinking as those who are left in darkness. As if Satan's head was not crushed and the power of darkness was not unplugged.
Ok so I went off on a new direction with my post but I hope that it encourages someone all the same. Thanks Jim once again for your exceedingly valuable imput! I love it when ya post!
   
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I know we can always find some kind of light spectrum even at night, but the simplest significance of darkness in the world is that the light of the sun does not reach that part of the earth for one reason or another. Light brings illumination, it brings manifestation, so that all things are revealed by the light. |
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That, to me, is a beautiful example of a spiritual reality. When we experience what we call darkness every 24 hours, we know that it is not because the light is non existent for that period of time. It is because, as you said, the light that is always existent does not reach our part of the world.
Why is that? Simply because for that period of time, the world gets in the way of our seeing the light, since the sun is on the other side of it. Isn't that how the world experiences darkness, when the world, and the things in this world, such as sin, shame, self, etc, get between us and God? God doesn't stop shining, but we don't see it. Instead we see the sin, the shame, the self, etc. Just as the prophet said:
Isa 59:2 But rather your depravities become a separation between you and your Elohim. And your sins conceal His face from you, from hearing you."
We are so thankful that God has removed that which covered our eyes, blinding us to seeing the truth.
2Co 3:18 Now we all, with uncovered face, mirroring the Lord's glory, are being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord, the spirit."
We now reflect his glory, like a mirror, the glory of the Lord, back to him to his glory and praise. The reason we mirror that glory is because all the barriers brought about by Adam have been removed. There is absolutely nothing standing between us and God. For us, there truly is no darkness at all.
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I just realized that I basically said the same thing to Sherri, but apparently forgot. Sorry for rehashing the same thing again. 
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luvin wrote:
Jim,
I find this statement I pulled out of your communication with Ron here very cool:[I will tell you why below]
Jim-"Nothing had been hidden between them and God before they sinned, but immediately after, they became aware of a shameful sense of that former openness they had with the Creator, and that's why they attempted to clothe themselves. When we can be convinced that our nakedness, that is, our openness before God and one another is shameful we will attempt to cover it. This passage fits the sense of what I'm getting at here:
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace to help in time of need.
(Hebrews 4:13-16)
Here is why I like it. You reference Hebrews. In Hebrews the author is communicating the forgiveness of the One chosen by The Father. In other words the book is talking about the removal of sin. Were does this lack of "confidence" or shame come from? What does the need to hide in fear connect to? We can not withstand this truth[of being plain to God] without the knowledge of sins removal through the Son of God, otherwise we are thinking as those who are left in darkness. As if Satan's head was not crushed and the power of darkness was not unplugged.
Ok so I went off on a new direction with my post but I hope that it encourages someone all the same. Thanks Jim once again for your exceedingly valuable imput! I love it when ya post!
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It may seem like a new direction, but is really the same direction, as it all points to the Christ. Thank you for the reminder of the truth that sin has indeed been removed, and there is not cause for shame as we stand open and naked before the eyes of our wonderful Maker. 
Ron
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gregoryfl wrote:
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Why? Is that a bad thing? :)
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Well, not technically no.  I just don't know what finds agreement with you guys with what I have written. I only know what is disagreed with. Because of that I just don't want to appear to be pushing anything that you all might not agree with out again.
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the shovel wrote:
gregoryfl wrote:
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Why? Is that a bad thing? :)
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Yeah I see nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Ron I also enjoyed your last few comments to my post!
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gregoryfl wrote:
Well, not technically no. I just don't know what finds agreement with you guys with what I have written. I only know what is disagreed with. Because of that I just don't want to appear to be pushing anything that you all might not agree with out again.
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Ron, you have stated similar things before, and I know you have a sensitivity about rocking the boat because of what I (or others) may or may not agree with. However, just because I may challenge something you propose, I haven't suggested that you shouldn't have posted it. You have challenged others for things they have posted, and yet I don't think you were trying to establish that such posts shouldn't have been posted. You, as well as others, have also challenged me (without saying so) when posting things that present a different view than what I have written elsewhere (and I don't mean those hidden nuggets that are difficult to find). You need to realize that you are not the only sensitive one in this regard.  You just rarely hear me express it. While you have said that you see yourself as an outsider on the Shack who is often ignored, just imagine what it would be like to feel that way off and on within your own forum for a decade.  I am not writing this for any kind of sympathy, but for you to understand that you are not alone.
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Not to intrude but to piggy back on Jim,
Man alive! Had I not somewhat learned that it is ok if not all or anyone really agrees with me on my posts I would have left here a decade ago! So for sure this is true what JIi has said not only personally for him but for a few others here as well.[like me] I can remember thinking I was saying the very same things I say today many years ago, and simply getting blank stares or very differing comments from others. I would just sigh and continue to listen and learn through it all. This Life within still seems to clarify stuff to us despite our thinking we are so right on...it is indeed very humbling.. can actually be painful sometimes. Thats really ok. There is grace for that too.[he he he..I was thinking this post of mine may get ignored too! no problem here]
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This Life within still seems to clarify stuff to us despite our thinking we are so right on...it is indeed very humbling.. can actually be painful sometimes. Thats really ok. There is grace for that too. |
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Piggybacking on to Adams piggybacking onto Jims comment ,being challenged or challenging a thought is probably the greatest sign of inclusivity here.it shows we have read,processed what has been said and care enough to respond. regardless of the viewpoint shared,the life of Christ flowing in and from us is usually at the heart of the discussion.
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the shovel wrote:
Ron, you have stated similar things before, and I know you have a sensitivity about rocking the boat because of what I (or others) may or may not agree with. However, just because I may challenge something you propose, I haven't suggested that you shouldn't have posted it. You have challenged others for things they have posted, and yet I don't think you were trying to establish that such posts shouldn't have been posted. You, as well as others, have also challenged me (without saying so) when posting things that present a different view than what I have written elsewhere (and I don't mean those hidden nuggets that are difficult to find). You need to realize that you are not the only sensitive one in this regard. You just rarely hear me express it. While you have said that you see yourself as an outsider on the Shack who is often ignored, just imagine what it would be like to feel that way off and on within your own forum for a decade. I am not writing this for any kind of sympathy, but for you to understand that you are not alone.
Love, Jim :)
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I honestly never even thought that you had similar feelings at times as I do, which just shows me how little I truly know about things I think I know at times.  I do over analyze too much, not only here, but at the Saturday fellowship I go to as well as other places I have been a part of in the past, and I do go through similar issues there as well. Know that your words are taken to heart brother.
Ron
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I guess I had the perception, when I read posts from the early 90's, that things were different then. There seemed to be much more communication about all sorts of things. Perhaps that was due to the newness of the board and people just getting to know each other, those who have been around from the beginning. I have found myself wishing I had been there back then as well. But then again, that is only my perception, which could very well be totally off. Thanks for sharing something about yourself I never knew before.
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I very much agree that Dave.
Ron
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Ron you know it is funny. I used to think that the posts and questions were varried and different back then too..but I have slowly and I mean slowly noticed that much of what was being said and asked was simply the same thing from inside them/us as it is today. The lie has it's way of using many different shades of itself but at the same time still say the same lie to us in very simple terms. We can see this with our new eyes. The questions though different in wording back then, were actually when widdled down were as simple as >>>"can I trust you?">>>"is what I HEAR from the christian world true?">>>"am I alive like I know I am inside?"...simple yet profound stuff. I feel like God sees this in us and gets pasts the bull shit we disguise it with. There of course has been many, many other conversations and such and even language barriers[or term barriers ] but all the while God has used many, many things in our lives to show us on the outside what we inwardly know in Truth. 
Edited by luvin on Feb-11-10 at 7:55pm
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Jim,
Do you see any correlation between these 3 verses?:
Joh 1:4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
Pro 20:27 A lamp of Yahweh is the life breath of mankind, Searching all the chambers of the inner being."
1Co 2:10 Yet to us God reveals them through His spirit, for the spirit is searching all, even the depths of God."
Thanks, :)
Ron
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gregoryfl wrote:
Jim,
Do you see any correlation between these 3 verses?:
Joh 1:4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
Pro 20:27 A lamp of Yahweh is the life breath of mankind, Searching all the chambers of the inner being."
1Co 2:10 Yet to us God reveals them through His spirit, for the spirit is searching all, even the depths of God."
Thanks, :)
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Sorry for the delay in answering your question. I wasn't feeling too good the last couple days.  I'm doing better tonight, though. Hopefully that continues. :)
Although I haven't checked them out in context, I do see similarities in the verses. For sure, it is the spirit of God that brings life and light. :)
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Thanks for your reply Jim. I'm glad your feeling better now. I see them speaking similar things as well. These are part and parcel of all the things I have been thinking about with regard to light and darkness. If you come up with any further thoughts, I would like to hear them.
Ron
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