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mcdave
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Last week a friend from   our former IC called and asked if I would come play guitar and help lead "worship" at the church they are now attending.It seems they have a new pastor and the old pastors wife had led the old worship.it would seem also that the circumstances of the pastor leaving were a little less than tidy and over half of the already small congregation left too.
 i told my friend that mary and i had no interest in joining a church and that by their standards i was practically a heathen.he said they didn't care,that i wouldn't even have to stay for the service,just play and leave,could i just please come meet the new guy and talk.
    i ended up going to talk to him and it was obvious that the idea of a no commitment helping out was a bit of a sham.he wanted to "empower men to take the place in the kingdom God has for them".
    i'm not sure why,maybe because playing music,any music ,in a group is so much fun, and as a favor to my friend, i agreed to practice with the few people (and the new pastor with his guitar) they had for their group.

 now,i am wondering what the heck i was thinking.if anything it is a glaring revelation of how static "church" is compared to the life and freedom available to all in Christ.i now have to either go on in a situation that is similar as far as the religious side and far lacking as far as the musical side  from what we came out of,with people i don't know or have a connection to OR bail before the oncoming train wreck happens.i wonder if it wouldn't be quicker just to give mary a hammer and have her hit me over the head a few times.

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Posted: Jun-28-08 at 1:01pm | IP Logged  

Dave,
There may be something in this that the Spirit desires to accomplish through you. Be prepared for some major wrestling if that is what this is about....




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mary wrote:

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Do you mean the post? Or did you do what Dave suggested, LITERALLY!!

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Dave,

For what it's worth, perhaps just be you, candid, up front, and honest.  The situation will quickly take care of itself   It always does.

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 Dave S, you witty one!   No, 'a course not!    An IC "adventure" is not even remotely where I'm at, or going to at this time.

I talked to the wife of the man who proposed this to Dave this morning.  She asked if Dave was going to be in church tomorrow.  I said "no, I don't think so."  She started to cry and expressed how much she missed us.  I thought, well, we're here, you can always come and be a part of us!


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Sometimes I think church people are just nice to us as an agenda so that we'll come back to that place.  Maybe  I'm being cynical but I may be right too.

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    I haven't really thought about agendas for a long time.  For me, I haven't really given much thought to this either.  The last few months have been incredibly stressful.  I don't see myself able to participate in one more thing.  The thing I see about the friend I talked to, is that she's looking at this from her perspective, what she desires (that could be the "agenda" you're talking about Evelina) but for me I'm starting a new part-time job on Wednesday, and whatever her desires are, are miles apart from what the Father has prepared for me.

      

     

    



      

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HI Mary,  I guess I'm just talking in general about agendas and how some have been nice to me but in the back of my mind I'm wondering if it's just because they want me back "there" and will be better able to relate to me when I'm back in my so called "place".  I thought of that also when your husband Dave talked about being wanted or needed in the worship team.

I know what you mean by not being able to participate in one more thing and not needing other's desires to dicate your life for you.  I have an older son who seems like a perpetual teenager because of his behavioural problems and it takes alot out of me too. Good luck in your new job!

 

 

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Couldn't you just go, jam out and leave?  If it starts to get uncomfortable explain how you feel and don't recommit.  If your friends miss you, go out with them outside of church.  i don't know, i haven't gone to church in a looooooong time,  i can't say i miss it.  Do you think accepting the invitation to play was some type of opportunity to bring truth to the churchites (that's not even a word but maybe it should be)?  just some thoughts.

      

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   I will probably talk to the pastor(the same guy that is leading worship sometimes) and be straight with him.At this point in life(hopefully never again either),i do not think i would be willing to come under the demands that being part of an institutional church require.i have no problem staying during the service but just the two times being over there i can clearly see the amount of time and commitment it takes to keep just the physical building going and the demands on time the institution demands.sunday service,sunday night prayer ,midweek prayer,midweek worship practice.....that is just the opener.i can only imagine if one was really involved what it could be.mary and i were part of the 24/7 group at our old church.if the doors were open(and sometimes when they weren't) one of us was there.first to arrive on sundays and the last to leave.even at the expense of being late for the start of the vikings game on tv.in fact that one thing showed how spiritual i was .
 i know i can be a help to them over there if i go for awhile, and i do enjoy the act of playing.if i had enough people near here i would probably start a garage band instead


      

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if i had enough people near here i would probably start a garage band instead.

I can sing, Dave.
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I will keep you on my short list  tim


      

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Dave, how did things go with talking straight with the pastor? Are you still going or is that in the past now? I fully understand about not wanting to be late for a Vikings game, even though they don't have Brett Favre. 

      

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Hi Ron,

 Mary told me awhile ago i should give an update and i never got around to it.thanks for the reminder.I did talk to him and told him I just felt that i could not commit at that time.that i felt like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.i also mentioned that if i was going to commit that i wanted to have a connection of some sort to the church and that at this time,i felt that that wasn't going to be possible.he actually wrote back and said he understood but if i wanted to show up and play then leave that was ok.i told him i was not comfortable with that and wished him well.so,again i am in limbo.there are times when i miss several aspects of "church" life.i miss teaching,i miss playing music in a group and mostly i miss the friendships that develop over time.still,at this point i am not willing to be pushed into that round hole.at some point that could change but right now,mary and i are very comfortable where we are and are at peace with where we may end up. whether it is here or with a larger group in the future.one thing is certain,we will never willingly give up the growing freedom in Christ that has been revealed in us and in which we have found profound rest and peace.


   Dave

 btw,as a native Minnesotan,i can say with all honesty i am  not dissapointed at   Brett Favre going to a different team


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[QUOTE=mcdave] Hi Ron,

 Mary told me awhile ago i should give an update and i never got around to it.thanks for the reminder.I did talk to him and told him I just felt that i could not commit at that time.that i felt like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.i also mentioned that if i was going to commit that i wanted to have a connection of some sort to the church and that at this time,i felt that that wasn't going to be possible.he actually wrote back and said he understood but if i wanted to show up and play then leave that was ok.i told him i was not comfortable with that and wished him well.so,again i am in limbo.there are times when i miss several aspects of "church" life.i miss teaching,i miss playing music in a group and mostly i miss the friendships that develop over time.still,at this point i am not willing to be pushed into that round hole.at some point that could change but right now,mary and i are very comfortable where we are and are at peace with where we may end up. whether it is here or with a larger group in the future.one thing is certain,we will never willingly give up the growing freedom in Christ that has been revealed in us and in which we have found profound rest and peace.


   Dave

 btw,as a native Minnesotan,i can say with all honesty i am  not dissapointed at   Brett Favre going to a different team


Nothing wrong with that Dave....... We were made to live in him who is our peace.
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