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luvin
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Posted: Feb-16-11 at 1:09pm | IP Logged  

Re: Renewing the mind?
by luvin - Feb 16 2011 - 11:05am
Jim said; " And yes, I will still get hit from time
to time with a sense that I am not trusting God
enough for some specific ... which only turns my
focus toward a hopeless need of trusting Him more.
Jackie, what I'm suggesting to you is that we are
often getting drawn away from real faith into a
substitute "attempt to stick our necks out to trust"
kind of faith."

Dear Jim, this so reminds me of that aching sense of
desperation I had experienced SO many times over the
years. I can remember time after time while hearing
the teachings of 'trust in god' the way I felt after
such sessions. Yeah, whether by way of radio, books
and then of course my very own convincing thoughts
about it all, I hurt with desperate confusion
inside. The message that caused this confusion never
,ever recognized we already HAVE what we need for
life in Him. It always had something MORE to do with
propping up the flesh to engage God ..once again.
[again and again]

Jim said: " I say this because instead of telling
them how to get their faith "increased" he responded
by demanding that the smallest "speck" of faith
would move those mountains."

lol!! I have to laugh about this statement. For it
reminds me of what happens when we hear something
like this while not be accustomed to real
righteousnesses and life in Christ. For I am sure
they that first heard Jesus say this started
reasoning in themselves as to how to get there faith
to be like a 'speck'!! lol The point being, it
wasn't about them and there FLESH and trying to be
faithful or 'have faith'.[as in quantities]

Jim said: "This faith just doesn't operate as the
flesh expects it should, which is the very thing
Jesus told Thomas when he "believed" Jesus because
of what he saw....The very reality of faith working
in you is that you believe Him ... even though
everything still suggests that you don't believe Him
for everything. In other words, while we're falling
all over the place from trying to get "more" faith
we usually miss the reality that our failure leaves
us simply knowing that he is all we have!!..the
faith we have received in Christ has set us free
from all the expectations of "more". Faith is not a
quantity of some elusive stuff, but is the reality
of the very connection we have IN CHRIST."

In Christ testifying to Thomas of another kind of
faith beyond the scope of mans will and design, I
think WE have taken on more of the same. More of the
same in that, we somehow are STILL getting an
application [out of that passage/story] as to how we
might offer up the old to establish the new.
Meanwhile Jesus had just finished the work of the
new by condemning the old!

Man, I used to bang my head over and over and over
on this passage. For in it I thought I might find
some freedom from this faith[trust] requirement I
was stuck in. I was attempting to find freedom from
the preaching of the old through some sort of
interpretation of the old. I was looking for some
technicality, some little comment, some little way
AROUND IT. Yet, Jesus buried it. With real love He
buried Thomas and declared the new.

The reason faith isn't working the way it is
'supposed' to is not because we are not trying hard
enough, are not serious enough, are not committed
enough, are not wise enough, spiritual enough..or
asking the 'right way' of the 'right thing'. It is
not even by praying or not praying. Learning or not
learning.[unless of course you mean the renewing of
the mind] The reason faith isn't 'working' is
because what we are thinking faith IS. Faith is not
of the FLESH. Jesus is not, was not, nor will ever
be directing our attention to the insincere 'faith'
that can be found in the deadness of the elemental
life found in THIS world.[the same place the
Apostles lived in at one time] This stuff can only
be COMPARED!! Yeah, I have more faith then you
do...if you pray hard enough then you can be like me
too...if you are just more serious and quit worrying
about 'worldly stuff' and be spiritual like me then
YOU TOO can have faith such as mine. Garbage! Yeah,
GARBAGE! If Christ gave me something that fits right
back into the worlds measuring system then who needs
Christ?

It is funny, we think we even understand what faith
IS to begin with. As if it were understood so easily
by the natural mind.

      

It is peace[the kind we long for] to know that my life patterns do not distract or derail the Living God"-Adam

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Debi
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Posted: Feb-18-11 at 1:46am | IP Logged  

Can so relate to what you said here Adam-past feelings of desperation, confusion, frustration.

Adam wrote:
The reason faith isn't 'working' is because what we are thinking faith IS. Faith is not of the FLESH....If Christ gave me something that fits right back into the worlds measuring system then who needs Christ?

This is so true Adam.

Like Jim said so well, "the faith we have received in Christ has set us free from all the expectations of "more". Faith is not a quantity of some elusive stuff, but is the reality of the very connection we have IN CHRIST."

And thus we can REST





      

Debi
"Truth is not the sum total of all true things, but is instead a person & His name is Jesus & He has become our LIFE."
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