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Hey, Ron.  The 150 pages of this book would certainly be a labor for me to read at this point.  Can you please explain what you mean by understanding this "often misunderstood subject"?  What is the subject? How is it misunderstood?  This implies of course that you understand what is often misunderstood.  Help me out.

Now, having posted those questions I'd like to comment.  I think it is pretty darned hard to make a distinction between Scripture and revelation.  I mean, what are those "innumerable things in scripture" that God has to reveal that He has not already?  How can we be sure whether it's His failure to reveal or our failure to read carefully?

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Hello Bro. Ron ,

Can u give us a short summation of the book?

Hello Bro. Tim,

Does the following look familiar?

This site is being developed to help you study the first five books of the Bible. I call them, The Gospel According to Moses, for Jesus said, "Moses wrote of me"

My desire is to help you dig into these books to discover for yourself what Moses wrote about Jesus Christ who is the Word of God.

The bible study you are teaching the students, did God personally reveal this to you or did you learn this from a teacher? I ask this in all sincerity not wanting to cause division but with a desire that we all can learn from HIM.

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Tmar wrote:

Hello Bro. Tim,

Does the following look familiar?

This site is being developed to help you study the first five books of the Bible. I call them, The Gospel According to Moses, for Jesus said, "Moses wrote of me"

My desire is to help you dig into these books to discover for yourself what Moses wrote about Jesus Christ who is the Word of God.

The bible study you are teaching the students, did God personally reveal this to you or did you learn this from a teacher? I ask this in all sincerity not wanting to cause division but with a desire that we all can learn from HIM.

your Bro. Tony


Yes, it looks very familiar.
Your question is good, but I'm really not sure how to answer it. If you look more deeply into my studies you'll notice that there's not a whole lot that is really mysterious or that profound.  I try to help people discover truth in the Scriptures, which I believe involves both reading them and God revealing Himself through them.  It has seemed to me that both things are necessary.  As when Jesus walked the earth, for a person to understand who He really was involved first either seeing Him (or hearing about Him) and then God revealing to that person more of what they could not see on the surface.  But the surface was not inconsequential.
What do you think?

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Tim P wrote:
   I try to help people discover truth in the Scriptures, which I believe involves both reading them and God revealing Himself through them.  It has seemed to me that both things are necessary.  As when Jesus walked the earth, for a person to understand who He really was involved first either seeing Him (or hearing about Him) and then God revealing to that person more of what they could not see on the surface.  But the surface was not inconsequential.
What do you think?

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Amen Tim.


      

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to me.."revelation" as the flesh describes it and understands it is only yet another way to compare.

      

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Adam,

Would you mind sharing a bit more if you would on how the flesh describes revelation, and what do you understand it to be compared to?

Thanks,

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luvin wrote:
to me.."revelation" as the flesh describes it and understands it is only yet another way to compare.


I sure agree with you, Adam.  I mean sometimes I've read things from some here on the Shack, I scratch my head, get frustrated and wonder why what was "revealed" to them was not "revealed" to me. I wonder, What's wrong with me?  Comparison.

Has not God revealed to all of us what we need to know? 

What in the world is "revelation"?

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I've decided, after giving it some thought, to remove the link and subject. I really don't want to convey any wrong ideas here. Sorry Tim.

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Hey Ron.  That's fine to remove it, but I'm not sure what you are sorry to me for.  I was not offended in either way.
I think you're topic is a very good one, link or no link, and I'd like to discuss it further with all.
Did you catch what I wrote to Adam? What did you think?

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Ron,

 Of course it is fine to remove the link as it was your thread but i think sometimes you miss that the unintended results of a post sometimes bring more fruit than the original post intended.funny how the spirit works that way.i was breezing through this post today and had forgotten the original starting point,only noticed that the starting post was missing.but then,in reading, a very interesting thread on revelation began to surface.
     in our walk in this realm,revelation on any level is the fuel that keeps our "spiritual" heads above water.that we need Jesus is a revelation,that he died for payment for all sin,past present and future is a revelation, that Jesus has saved us is a revelation...and on and on.in this life,there will always be a next step to look towards and yet,the place we are right now is  a place we can find peace and contentment in Him.that is what makes living interesting i think sometimes we seek more because of an inborn hunger in our inner beings but even then he is the author and finisher of our faith and there is a rest in that.



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mcdave wrote:



     in our walk in this realm,revelation on any level is the fuel that keeps our "spiritual" heads above water.that we need Jesus is a revelation,that he died for payment for all sin,past present and future is a revelation, that Jesus has saved us is a revelation...
and on and on.in this life,there will always be a next step to look towards and yet,the place we are right now is  a place we can find peace and contentment in Him.that is what makes living interesting i think sometimes we seek more because of an inborn hunger in our inner beings but even then he is the author and finisher of our faith and there is a rest in that.


Thanks for that Dave!!! It's something I really needed to hear today.


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mcdave wrote:
Ron,

 Of course it is fine to remove the link as it was your thread but i think sometimes you miss that the unintended results of a post sometimes bring more fruit than the original post intended.funny how the spirit works that way.i was breezing through this post today and had forgotten the original starting point,only noticed that the starting post was missing.but then,in reading, a very interesting thread on revelation began to surface.
     in our walk in this realm,revelation on any level is the fuel that keeps our "spiritual" heads above water.that we need Jesus is a revelation,that he died for payment for all sin,past present and future is a revelation, that Jesus has saved us is a revelation...and on and on.in this life,there will always be a next step to look towards and yet,the place we are right now is  a place we can find peace and contentment in Him.that is what makes living interesting i think sometimes we seek more because of an inborn hunger in our inner beings but even then he is the author and finisher of our faith and there is a rest in that.

Dave you have siad some very good things here!



      

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gregoryfl wrote:
Adam,

Would you mind sharing a bit more if you would on how the flesh describes revelation, and what do you understand it to be compared to?

Thanks,

Ron

 

Hi Ron,

I see the flesh as a something that lives in the realm of comparisons and the land of outer appearances. Very often we get the idea from the "old us" that "revelation" is somehow a doing on our part, you know something we CAN take credit for and or contrive.[but of course we would never say that!] Realizing something is simple recognition..beyond that I'm not sure we can produce this wonderous,miraculous realization any other way. It just comes..even in the midst of TRYING to produce "revelation" itself! Jeez, when you think on it, we ARE the revelation!



      

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mcdave wrote:
Ron,

 Of course it is fine to remove the link as it was your thread but i think sometimes you miss that the unintended results of a post sometimes bring more fruit than the original post intended.funny how the spirit works that way.i was breezing through this post today and had forgotten the original starting point,only noticed that the starting post was missing.but then,in reading, a very interesting thread on revelation began to surface.
     in our walk in this realm,revelation on any level is the fuel that keeps our "spiritual" heads above water.that we need Jesus is a revelation,that he died for payment for all sin,past present and future is a revelation, that Jesus has saved us is a revelation...and on and on.in this life,there will always be a next step to look towards and yet,the place we are right now is  a place we can find peace and contentment in Him.that is what makes living interesting i think sometimes we seek more because of an inborn hunger in our inner beings but even then he is the author and finisher of our faith and there is a rest in that.

As long as the spirit doesn't bring frustration but an increasing experience of that rest, that is my intent. Thanks Dave for sharing your heart here.

Ron


      

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luvin wrote:
I see the flesh as a something that lives in the realm of comparisons and the land of outer appearances. Very often we get the idea from the "old us" that "revelation" is somehow a doing on our part, you know something we CAN take credit for and or contrive.[but of course we would never say that!] Realizing something is simple recognition..beyond that I'm not sure we can produce this wonderous,miraculous realization any other way. It just comes..even in the midst of TRYING to produce "revelation" itself! Jeez, when you think on it, we ARE the revelation!


Very nice! I love it.



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luvin wrote:
to me.."revelation" as the flesh describes it and understands it is only yet another way to compare.



It makes sense in how the flesh can compare levels of "revelation".  But revelation it self that is of the mind of Christ...... isnt' that just seeing and hearing all things of him???  Or  isn't Christ the revelation since he is the word of God as well as the wisdom from God????


In other words revelation in itself isn't fleshy, isn' t it just when it  is tied to something outside the mind of Christ that it can be twisted to be something fleshly???


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right. 

To me anyway.



      

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luvin wrote:


  Realizing something is simple recognition..beyond that I'm not sure we can produce this wondrous,miraculous realization any other way. It just comes..even in the midst of TRYING to produce "revelation" itself!



  Adam,this is one of the best explanations of revelation i have seen


      

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luvin wrote:

Jeez, when you think on it, we ARE the revelation!


Adam, I'd like see more of your thoughts on this last part of an earlier post.  What do you mean by saying that "we ARE the revelation!"

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Hi Tim,

Sorry I didn't get back to this right away. It's just that my life has been full of stuff lately! Well all I meant was that since we are His and our Life is actually His life..well we ARE the revelation of Christ Himself to ourselves and those around usand well just PERIOD. Jeez even the trees and rocks acknowledge us as the sons of God! I want to say that modern,lifeless christianity would have us beleive that revelation is something we can get better and better at "doing". God Himself puts this want for more clarity in seeing Him as our life into our hearts and it grows only when we are finding that we run into cloudy spots in this life, and these bodies.But I am inclined to encourage that God Himself runs the show with respect to this witness, this "revelation". I mean what is there to reveal? I will tell you...Christ risen and crucified. He runs this through our veins at all times.



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luvin wrote:

I mean what is there ot reveal? I will tell you...CHrist risen and crucified. He runs this through our veins at all times.



Man, that is a whole lot to ponder and grasp!  Good words for thirsty souls.
Thanks.

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Adam!! I agree with Tim. Thanks for posting that wonderful outlook on revelation. :) 

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