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mary
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   Thursday, I called a friend who is still in the IC to see how she's doing.  It was an "odd" conversation, in which she mentioned that the pastor and wife of her church were stepping down from their "role" at the A. of G. in Northfield.  She goes, "I'm surprised you haven't heard about it from Jennifer (daughter).  "No, I haven't heard about it, what happened?  Why are they leaving?"  There was like this pause in the conversation.  "Well, there were "issues" and things going on."  "WHAT issues?" I asked surprised.  "I don't want to say, Dave (her husband) doesn't want me to talk about it. " Like a big, "hush, hush" on the subject.  I thought it was wierd that she couldn't even say why.  So, I called my daughter and and asked if she knew why.  "They couldn't afford to pay him anymore, so they stepped down."  "Well, that's all?!  Sharla's making such a big deal out of it, she won't even tell me why."  I REALLY was perplexed until McDave came home and told him.  "It's the failure they "feel" about it.  This is a big deal to them because it represents failure.

    We had a long talk about that misrepresentation of "success" based upon how "well" a church is doing ("their" perception of it.)  I thought a little loonger about the course of our lives, really, the course of alot of our lives here, and many all over who have left the IC, who have lost their "positions, titles, etc." and I had this joy well up inside, (no, not at "thier" losses), but of having gone through such difficult and painful circumstances to realize "Christ as our LIFE!!"



      

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Mary,

Oh, so glad to be removed of all of that!   Living in Him, not in the marketing game of the institution is so very freeing, huh?  When we use the physical world's measuring instruments to measure spiritual things, the "answer" is never correct.  Why are we ever suprised?

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but of having gone through such difficult and painful circumstances to realize "Christ as our LIFE!!"


An amazing revelation, indeed!! :)  thanks for this, Mary.

Jim


      

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Posted: Feb-17-08 at 2:44pm | IP Logged  

Mary..

so wise.



      

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Yes. 

The sad thing is that the institution has "taught by practice" what is important and what is "success".  If only those leaders as well as the ones sitting in the pew knew who they REALLY are, compared to the system teaching, they wouldn't feel the need for the religious status makers and props.  They would realize that the outward form is the false self and pales in an extreme way to who they really are. 

It kind of goes along with what I was just reading the other day.  It was along the lines of.... Many things in your life matter, but only one thing matters absolutely.  It matters how you treat or are treated by others.... it matters if you have friends and family or are lonely.... it matters even to various extents where you live, your job, your abilities, etc.  But they do not matter absolutely.

There is something that matters more than any of those things and that is.... finding the essence of who you are beyond the short lived entity.  You find peace not by rearranging the circumstances of your life, but by realizing who you are at the deepest level. 

Joyce  



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    Thanks Dave, Jim, Adam, and Joyce for your responses!  

   


      

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Mary! I sense such a deep wisdom totally of Him just bursting forth out of you!

Edited by luvin on Feb-18-08 at 8:33am


      

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Tim P
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I like what you wrote here, Joyce.

Many things in your life matter, but only one thing matters absolutely.  It matters how you treat or are treated by others.... it matters if you have friends and family or are lonely.... it matters even to various extents where you live, your job, your abilities, etc.  But they do not matter absolutely.

There is something that matters more than any of those things and that is.... finding the essence of who you are beyond the short lived entity.  You find peace not by rearranging the circumstances of your life, but by realizing who you are at the deepest level. 

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Rich thoughts.....

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   So, yesterday, I had this friend over for coffee.  This stuff so frustrates me!  For me, it's like being in one planet, speaking to someone in another planet!  I'm wondering, is this an exaggeration, or is there such a difference in knowing Him apart from sytems, etc. and knowing Him within/and evolving around social systems, and all other systems within the "church".  There are aspects of the thing that would be pleasurable for sure, like living near people that you could see face-to-face on a daily basis in a social kind of way.  But, then, there is so much of the "system" that gets in the way! 

     We nearly had an argument about tithing, and we (Dave and I) don't see tithing as a new testament concept at all.  Giving from the heart, yes, but tithing no!  All of the "pain" she was carrying came in my front door with her.  It was heavy!  What am I supposed to do about it?  And it's not like she's open to anything else at this point!  This stuff is so old!!!!

      I know I'm venting , but I have to get this out!!


      

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mary wrote:

     All of the "pain" she was carrying came in my front door with her.  It was heavy!  What am I supposed to do about it?  And it's not like she's open to anything else at this point!  This stuff is so old!!!!

Just wondering, is she hoping to give or obtain something from you?



Edited by BobB on Feb-21-08 at 8:07pm


      

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mary
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  What I did offer her was friendship, what I can't offer her is "new" remedy for church-system failure.

   Thinking about it today, I've let it go.   It's really His gig to reveal/show her anything else.

   


Edited by mary on Feb-21-08 at 9:46pm


      

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mary
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   To sum it all up...I've very thankful to be part of the Shack, to be part of you all here - a place where all share equally, where there is no "head" nor "tail",  where LIFE is shared mutually, and Christ is our hope, our LIFE.  I would not desire to go through all of those things again, that came with participating in the IC.  True Life is found in Him, in the transferring of that Life from one to another - what a HUGE difference!


      

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Ditto again. 

Good summary and conclusion.   Glad for the Peace you found. 

Joyce 

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x2!

      

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