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Take your usual day and consider the above question.  Does Jesus fit into it ... or do you have to do some mental or religious gymnastics in order to make him fit?  Does the "Good News" sound like a teaching that seems more appropriate to a Bible study than to real life?  I really want to know how you see this because it's in your REAL life where the gospel finds its true power.

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Well, for me I guess I do have to do mental gymnastics. I was steeped in legalism in my former church, and have not been purged completely from it. I don't walk in grace naturally.

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Quote: Originally posted by jesusfreaksa on Friday, December 07, 2001

Well, for me I guess I do have to do mental gymnastics. I was steeped in legalism in my former church, and have not been purged completely from it. I don't walk in grace naturally.


Hello jesusfreaksa,

Thanks for your honesty in this response!    What do you think it would take for you to be "completely purged" from legalism?  And then, what do you think it would take to "walk in grace naturally"?

Jim 

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Well Jim, I think to be completely purged I would have to take God at his word and just walk in His grace that was freely give me but For some reason I am afraid to just take the nestea plunge into grace. Sometimes I just want to quit Christianity and go back to my old life, in fact I have tried to be the "old me" and it just don't work anymore. I am different. I get frustrated that I can't just relax in the arms of God.

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Jim, this forum is awesome!!!    You have done a superb job.  I have to know how it's done!  Or is it a secret?  I was pondering your questions. "How real is the good news to you"  A few years ago, I couldn't have answered that question at all.  I would have said...............Good!  Of course I was supposed to say that!  I didn't know what the "real" good news was.  But when God CHOSE to reveal the "real" Good News my WHOLE life changed.  Actually I believe my outlook was what changed.  But that is exactly what the "real" good news does.  NOW life is so-so-so incredible.  There is NO MORE separation and that alone has caused a NEW LIFE mentality!  KNOWING that it's not Him and I, it's US!  Two have become ONE.  United in Love!  WOW!!!   Work, sports, play, etc are all the same now.  I can't even begin to explain what I feel.   REAL very much so!  The good news has INFECTED all areas of my life (our life)  Fear  & condemnation - are not part of my NEW LIFE.  It's NOW a adventures life filled with awe in what He does each moment.  I could go on and on and probably say the same thing over and over and over. 
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Quote: Originally posted by JustLiving on Friday, December 07, 2001


<<< You have done a superb job.  I have to know how it's done!  Or is it a secret? >>>

No, no secret at all.  Actually, all I have done is to personalize it, the work was done by the guy whose link is at the bottom of these pages, Web Wiz Guide.  If you click the link you can download the thing for yourself.  He offers it for free as long as you leave the link to his site in there.  Of course, I have absolutely no problem with this because I think he has done an excellent job.  As a matter of fact, just last week he made another upgrade to the program that has even more functionality to it.  Haha!  I will be converting the thing over once I get it personalized.  Since it's the same program I'll be able to keep all the discussions intact when I do.

<<< Actually I believe my outlook was what changed.  But that is exactly what the "real" good news does.  NOW life is so-so-so incredible.  There is NO MORE separation and that alone has caused a NEW LIFE mentality!  >>>

Yes, indeedy!!    You have said it well, my friend!!

<<< KNOWING that it's not Him and I, it's US!  Two have become ONE.  United in Love!  WOW!!!  >>>

Hey, this gets better and better!!

 <<< The good news has INFECTED all areas of my life (our life)>>>

I LOVE the sound of that infection.

<<< I could go on and on and probably say the same thing over and over and over.  >>>

And it would be worth every word !!!

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Quote: Originally posted by jesusfreaksa on Friday, December 07, 2001

Well Jim, I think to be completely purged I would have to take God at his word and just walk in His grace that was freely give me but For some reason I am afraid to just take the nestea plunge into grace. Sometimes I just want to quit Christianity and go back to my old life, in fact I have tried to be the "old me" and it just don't work anymore. I am different. I get frustrated that I can't just relax in the arms of God.


Aha, the Nestea Plunge!!  You know what I think?  I think God is actively working in you even right now concerning this.  Let me tell you what I hear from your own words.  I hear the fact that you ALREADY know God has freely given you His grace.  You state that the "old you" is something you can no longer be ... I wonder who has taught you this?   Now, you mention that you want to quit "Christianity" ... and maybe this is what's holding you back.  Maybe the thing you're thinking of as "Christianity" is actually the "form of godliness" that insists you are the one who needs to make this "grace" thing happen.

Whatcha think?

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Hey all,

How about this for an answer about the good news?  "A constant 'letting go' and then paying attention to what ensues."  Does that make sense to anyone?  It seems as if grace has to be understood or explained by admitting that it almost doesn't have anything to do with me, or is that too abstract of a definition? 

The deeper I get into this walk, the more of a sense inside  of myself that I don't know anything.  And if that is the case, then a turning it over, so to speak, in my soul has to happen. A coming to the end of myself is where I am discovering Him?

 What do you all think? 

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Without Christ it's just a dead man walking.

The incarnation, the Word becoming flesh! Far out, or should I say far in!!

He hasn't just invaded our planet but He has invaded humanity.

Prior to the incarnation there wasn't any true human beings, we were all sub-human.

His apprehension of me (us) made a first time never seen before truely real human!

The miracoulous supernatural Life of Christ in us express itself so unbelievably natural that most people miss it.

No more sacred/secular nonsense.  

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Quote: Originally posted by Connie on Saturday, December 08, 2001

How about this for an answer about the good news?  "A constant 'letting go' and then paying attention to what ensues."  Does that make sense to anyone? 


 Actually it does.  I used to think of "letting go" as a required action required and as such it is usually spoken of in terms of difficulty.   The fact is that the action is the very thing that is being done away with when one lets go.   The religious mentality that slams into us on a daily basis keeps demanding we need to grasp onto the old fleshly understanding, and we often fail to recognize the incredible effort involved in doing so because we're thinking that releasing it is the hard thing.

To "pay attention to what ensues" suggests that the life is already there and happening right in front of you as you live in the present.  Sounds like the living that's in view of the miraculous reality of Christ in you. 

Jim

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Quote: Originally posted by Richard on Sunday, December 09, 2001

No more sacred/secular nonsense.


Richard, sounds great to me!!! 

Jim

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Now, you mention that you want to quit "Christianity" ... and maybe this is what's holding you back.  Maybe the thing you're thinking of as "Christianity" is actually the "form of godliness" that insists you are the one who needs to make this "grace" thing happen.

Whatcha think?

Well, wow sometimes your comments make my brain hurt!!  I don't think I can make grace happen, but for some reason I can't rest and realize it is all of Jesus, because of many scriptures that seem to imply that it is us too. Like in the book of James,etc.

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Well, wow sometimes your comments make my brain hurt!!  I don't think I can make grace happen, but for some reason I can't rest and realize it is all of Jesus, because of many scriptures that seem to imply that it is us too. Like in the book of James,etc.

Hi Jesusfreaksa

Just sticking an oar in the waters again.

Ha, loved the comment about the brain hurting. Used to have a really big t-shirt with that one on it and wore it for years. Then discovered this: -

The greatest error in the whole of the Christian world is the belief that there are three lives.

1  The life of God which is righteousness and life

2 The life of Lucifer which is sin and death

3 My life or the I or the me

The so-called third life here would appear to be following one or the other. But there is no third life, there are only two. So when the question is posed, for instance, choose ye whom you will follow, in reality that question is answered in only two ways. The life of righteousness will follow the one way, the life of sin the other way.

It is by grace that we share ( are made divine partakers in the life of righteousness, which is Christ IN you). Delivered from one life unto another.

How true were His words which said "without me you can do nothing" (nothing towards the things of God).

Herein lies the rest for the children of God, that the life of Christ can do all things. Christ is the believer,Christ is faith, Christ is the deliverer.

As for me I just watch the one life increase as the other decreases simply because that which God has promised He WILL perform, and strangely enough He does perform it.

My years of struggling and failing miserably in thinking that the I (me) could bring great faith and unshakeable belief were all according to His purpose, so that the life which was actually given at the new birth would bring obedience to God.

What sheer relief to see a life that can sit one down at the right hand of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and to share in that life that has peace, perfect peace and which dwells upon the earth in the midst of death and decay.

Ye though I walk in the valley of the shadow of Death I will fear no evil.

Much love from a life which has taken the name of Dave ( Christ in Dave) ( Dave in Christ)

 

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Dave!!

Thanks for those words of LIFE!!!

Jim

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As for me I just watch the one life increase as the other decreases simply because that which God has promised He WILL
perform, and strangely enough He does perform it.

I like that!   
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"a body hast though prepared for me"  ----- I am a body prepared for the incarnation of Christ as are we all.  "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."    I 'see' a lot  --- but ----- don't experience a lot.  From previous posts it would appear that this is part of the overall plan - Is there a sudden eye opening that launches one into  the Christ reality (yes - I know the reality is we are already in Christ) or is it an on going plod and not a very enjoyable one in my own personal plodding opinion.  Can anyone relate - am I missing something - feed back greatly appreciated.
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Quote: Originally posted by Ashton on Wednesday, December 12, 2001
Is there a sudden eye opening that launches one into  the Christ reality (yes - I know the reality is we are already in Christ) or is it an on going plod and not a very enjoyable one in my own personal plodding opinion.  Can anyone relate - am I missing something - feed back greatly appreciated.

Hello Ashton!

Let me start out by telling you that you are NOT missing anything!!  Quite the contrary, it is the lie that says you are missing something that causes the lack of recognitiion of Christ's miraculous work within you.  In other words, a major portion of "Christian" teaching is designed to make you disappointed with Christ's life in you by putting your attention on your apparent lack.  This is pushed upon you in hopes of creating a sense of dependency so that you might run after those who preach it.

The same thing can happen in relation to eye-openings.  There is no doubt that many have had some incredible eye-openings through which they may appear to have been "launched" into the Christ reality, but such insights are merely insights into something that is already true in Christ in you.  In saying this, I'm not trying to downplay the miraculous work of God's revelation, for He is pleased to reveal His Son in you.  But you know what happens?  Yep, somebody is going to tell you that you need to seek after the same kind of revelation they had and that until you get it you can't understand God.  Hogwash!!  The only true revelation is Christ Himself.  When the focus is drawn to the "revelation" or the "eye-opening", as if it's an add-on, then the attention is in the wrong place.

Our experiences in seeing the miraculous are as varied as can be because our individual complexities play an important role in the dynamics of our re-telling of the insight we received.  Just because somebody tells a better story than you doesn't mean that your eyes haven't been opened.  As a matter of fact, just because somebody tells an impressive story doesn't necessariy mean that they even know God at all.  It has been my experience to discover that many who get a "sudden eye-opening" often fall into a pattern of extreme ups and downs in seeking out even MORE sudden eye-openings to counteract their feelings of inadequacy.

If you are in Christ you have everything you need.  Now, your own expectations of what you THINK you need might easily affect simply resting in the reality of what you have.  But God is faithful in His work in you anyhow.

I love your description of the "on going plod"!!    And you are right in accessing this as an often unenjoyable experience.  You gotta figure, we've been brought into a life that is diametrically opposed to everything we learned in this world, so the continual experiences of having that brought into our consciousness is often an unpleasant prospect.

During my senior year in Bible College at the photo-shoot session for the upcoming yearbook I was asked for my favorite Bible verse so that it could be included under my name.  Favorite verse?  Now, this was an evangelical school and most of my "favorite" verses were places like John 3:16.  But I thought I should have more of a personal verse under my name so I chose a more impressive sounding one.  It was this:

"That I may know Him, and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being comformed to His death;" Philippians 3:10

You know, the "knowing Him" and the "power of His resurrection" had a delightful ring to it, I'm sure, but I'm trying to remember what I might have been thinking in choosing a verse that referred to "the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death"!!  Funny thing, over the next few years I really began to see a pattern of this working in my life.  I can only imagine Jesus chuckling as He said, "Oh yeah, it's GOING TO BE one of your favorite verses!!!"   

Doesn't sound very pleasant, huh?  But this is what God is working into our lives.  There is a joy being produced at the same time, though it is often overshadowed by the sense of the unenjoyable personal plod.  I have discovered more insight during this ongoing work of God in my life than in any "sudden eye-opening", I can tell you that.  It has been through the recognition of the death of the old that the power of the new has been made so clearly relevant.  The one is just as much a revelation as the other.

Jim

 

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Quote: Originally posted by jesusfreaksa on Tuesday, December 11, 2001

Well, wow sometimes your comments make my brain hurt!!  I don't think I can make grace happen, but for some reason I can't rest and realize it is all of Jesus, because of many scriptures that seem to imply that it is us too. Like in the book of James,etc.


I've been told that I have that effect on people before!!  hahaha!  Like an ice-cream brain freeze!!  Anyhow, it's a GOOD hurt. 

Keep in mind it was through using "many scriptures" that the religious community ultimately rejected Jesus.  So, don't let the SEEMING implications become the reasons for your own doubts.  The truth is that we all have these little fears tucked away, but the most insidious ones are those backed up by and chapter and verse!!

Jesus made a few blanket statements to the Pharisees, Scribes, and Sadducees as to how they did not believe the very "scriptures" they used to "test" and "accuse" him.  It should come as no surprise that the Bible would remain the #1 weapon used against Jesus today as it was when he walked the earth before the cross.  But somehow, we still assume that a "chapter and verse" argument must be valid.

The funny thing about most views of the book of James is that he was probably the most like Jesus in his presentation.  He was after all, the half brother of Jesus, and had many connections with him.  Somehow we fail to take into account the fact that James' statements were aimed at the same religiosity that Jesus blasted when he walked among them.  He demanded that religious words and opinions had nothing in common with the miraculous life of the Spirit.  James came to realize that the same kind of religious "professors" had infiltrated the assemblng of those made alive in Christ and he made it clear in no uncertain terms that all their pretentious words of "faith" had no life in them.  It was the very same conclusion Jesus made in his famous "Sermon on the Mount", which is another "scripture" passage that is used to make salvation SEEM to be partially our work.  Strange.

Jim

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I am alot more relaxed knowing there is nothing for me to do to please Him and there is nothing I can do to mess things up in His plan.  I have Christ uniquely packaged in the person of me - that's pretty refreshing in a world that cries out for conformity.  I'm beginning to see through my Father's eyes that no matter what my thinking or feelings might convey to me-I am never in lack as the institutional church (at least the one I attended) would tell me.  I have His very Life!!

Nobody  thinks or does things the way that I do

so His light shines a different color through me than you.  Mine might be listening to a friend struggling

through a hard time or maybe a word of encouragement to one who has forgotten who they are in Christ. Anyway shine on all of you. You guys are great! Thanks for all the uplifting words.

In Christ,  Mattie



      

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Mattie,

I am so encouraged to hear how Christ is giving you rest in the midst of some who would demand that you are lacking.  And I agree that it's a good thing we are all a little different.  :)

Love, Jim


      

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Matte, that is awesome!

      

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Jim,

I have not read the whole stream of thoughts yet, but want to respond to your original question, which is a good one.  How does Jesus fit into my usual day or life.  I don't think about that too much.  I should.  Maybe I don't so much about this because I'm afraid He won't fit, or may not want to fit, or may think I am not fitting in enough with His life, or maybe my life is not worthy enough to fit.  I know this sounds pretty crazy, but for some reason(s) my relationship with Jesus is not as intimate and free as I would like it to be.  Do I really think He wants this with me?  I hope so, but a relationship with a person cannot be built upon wishful thinking, but upon something real.  Real communication. Real sharing. Etc.  Boy, sounds like I am back where I started with you all.

Recently, I have felt pretty exhausted (emotionally, spiritually) as I try to help our daughter decide how to go to college next year.  She is already in the US while we are in Moscow.  It's been pretty draining and I'd love to know that Jesus "fits" in this picture.  I think He does, but I still am not convinced.

Does this answer your question, Jimbo?



      

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Hey Tim,

I had a longer post all written but it got erased just before sending it off.   

Anyhow, it's not whether I think it answers my question as it is for you, though I do appreciate your honest heartfelt response.  Realize that I'm not asking whether you're able to fit Jesus in to your life but if you recognize that he already does.  Legally inspired wisdom seeks to convince you it won't happen unless you make it happen.

What I came to discover about myself was that my own running commentary often played behind the scenes and produced the most ridiculous assessments on just about anything or anyone I encountered.  Still does.  I found myself questioning those assumptions and discovered that they usually had no real basis.  Like Chicken Little who ran around saying the sky was falling.

If the good news
is not real to us - and by this I don't mean basic Bible knowledge - it will be turned into something else ... something irrelevant.

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hi mattie,

very encouraging, thanks so much.   unique colors of Him shining through each of us. wow.

his love, dave c.

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Its becoming more and more real to me...its incredible

I am dead.  The person that I've been trying to "improve"..."cultivate"..."take care of"...I have given up on it and it is dead.  I was a slave to my flesh and its needs...but I'm dead!  Now Christ has given me His life...His love..His relationship with the Father..His wisdom...His righteousness.  The only thing that matters in me is Christ...and Christ matters much..so I matter much.  Its a oneness that I can't even explain..but my spirit testifies to it strongly.'

The only area of confusion right now is....so what does this mean in the future?  I am a SON OF GOD..I am not "musician"...I am not "college student"...I am not "struggling Christian"....I am SON OF GOD.  My sense of individuality detoriates...since I dont wrap my identity around a certain physical/personality trait anymore.  

So what does this mean in the future?  It's not I but Christ.  So eveyrthing I'm learning in college...my musical talents...all these things that don't constitute my sense of self anymore....what are these things in the light of this truth?  Just special tools God gives to His different children so that they can, through these tools, live JESUS on earth?

just thinkin away...

 

 

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Kevin, this is most heartening and encouraging to read!  

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Man thats a powerful concept.Our self image,well mine at least has been one of "rebellious" or struggling christian...or whatever0-and yet that is an identity based on our inabilities not His work in our stead-
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KevinKim wrote:

  Just special tools God gives to His different children so that they can, through these tools, live JESUS on earth?

YEAH!

all these "identities" are nothing but costumes in my opinion, so we can enter certain places and be in certain situations and around certain people at certain instances.

Jesus said something like go to the world just like i came to you, we dont belong to the world i am not the musician or engineer, that's just a costume, we dont belong there but only Christ in us can reveal that and brake that bondage.

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Maybe I've been away from this forum too long and so forget things.  I know my identity is Christ, but had never heard of me being a tool or costume.  I guess I forget how I understood this before, but what about people being people who God has a relationship with and loves, or is that a self love on His part?  Is my identity as Christ total and there is no longer anything else but that?  I feel that whatever the answer is, it's ok with me, but forget or don't understand.   Thanks.

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hey Joyce, im new here and only beginning to learn grace (making a lot of mistakes while doing it). So dont take my word for it, im just saying i was self absorbed or self-identified with my worldly identity which is a lie build on the gift (talent, profession...) God gave me. But now that i know my identity is in Christ i am free from that bondage too, so that identity being a dead thing I (Christ in me) can travel (go to the world) as Christ in disgise (costume), do u see what i mean now?

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Seth,

After I sent that post, it occured to me that it obviously wasn't something to take literally, but just an example of something that someone was using to put a word picture to to make it more understandable for them.  I don't know that any of us have to think of ourseves as "new" or "older" in this as it all comes from the same Christ who is the same in all of us.  Anyway, my real reason for posting wasn't to question how others are expressing themselves, but to understand for myself how to comprehend what it really means when I identify myself as "Christ in me".  Maybe I'll never understand?   Thanks for your response.

Joyce

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Our personalities are unique.  Not everybody shares the same talents..."personal preference" is something that God gave to us to add color to our lives through one another.  It's a beautiful thing..people love to do what they do and people love to watch people who love to do what they do because ultimately..we're all entertaining each other! 

But these things do not make us who we are.  To place our confidence and sense of identity in a personality trait or physical characteristic or talent is to throw a bucket in an empty well.  Because these things are insignificant compared to who we TRULY ARE and one day everyone realizes this.  Who we TRULY ARE:  Human beings created to enjoy the Lord and for the Lord to be glorified in Him.  Think of all the people who are really good and what they do and have come to this revelation on their own..Michael Jordan (Gambling obsession)..Michael Jackson (Life of pain and confusion).  They are beginning to understand that they are deeper than their skills. 

Christ in me more has to do with "fruits of the spirit."  It doesn't mean that you will suddenly love to speak in parables and have an unquenchable desire for fish and to be a carpenter :)  It does mean that will know that you are a Child of God...which brings healing, freedom..but best of all...the relationship with God that all creation including Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson yearns for!  Thats what bears fruit.   

What becomes of our individual characteristics then?  Simply put..nothing more than our unique, personal abilities to do what Jesus did!  Yet Jesus purpose was NOT based on his individual characteristics.  It was deeper than that.  It was to walk this earth as the SON OF GOD and accomplish the will of the Father which brought him and the father GLORY. 

Through his death we FULLY IDENTIFY WITH THIS!  We are CHILDREN OF GOD.  So now what do we do with what we love to do, our abilities..talents..etc?  Hmm....exciting.  We do HIS WILL.  Sounds like He's got something awesome prepared for those who love Him doesnt he?  He WILL provide a way for you to do this...a life composed of doing what we love to do for whom we love and God providing all the ways for you to do this? Sounds like Adam before the fall!

 

 

 

 

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Ahh, it's Joyce!!

Now I know who you are!

      

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Yes, yes, it's Joyce!!    So glad to see you on the Shack.

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Joyce Great to see you

      

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  Kevin,

        I love that!  Yeah, that's how it shows itself in the new creation!  Just like Adam before the fall....alive!  Enjoying life, and His love showing through in the midst of it all!

        P.S.  Hi Joyce!  We've missed you!



      

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Joyce,

You sound dear to the others, but I am new.  Would like to hear more about you.

Tim



      

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Thanks for all the responses.  Since requested, I wrote something on the personal bits/bios section.  I mistakenly put it under Wags section.  Hope he doesn't mind sharing his section with me. 

Joyce

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Thanks, Joyce.  I found it after a bit.  Sounds like something happened in Springfield with you all some time ago.  ??

KevinKim, I appreciate your thoughts above.

 

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Tim,

I was thinking that I should answer this question too on the bit/bio section and was going to but then remembered that this topic is "Real Life in Christ"... and well, what happened in Springfield was just that.  There were about 8 of us that got together there for a long week-end and it was VERY LIFE filled.  We had no agenda, no ritual, no anything like that (we didn't even get our Bibles out), but it was filled with Christ in all of us coming through to each other.   Things that I had learned here seemed to be even more revealed when we met in person.  I think others can testify to the same.  Hoping that it can work out again this year to do the same.

Joyce

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Jhwah wrote:

 

Thanks for all the responses.  Since requested, I wrote something on the personal bits/bios section.  I mistakenly put it under Wags section.  Hope he doesn't mind sharing his section with me. 

Joyce



Joyce,

I created your own section in the Personal/Bio area and moved the three posts into it. 

Jim


      

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Jhwah wrote:

 

Tim,

I was thinking that I should answer this question too on the bit/bio section and was going to but then remembered that this topic is "Real Life in Christ"... and well, what happened in Springfield was just that.  There were about 8 of us that got together there for a long week-end and it was VERY LIFE filled.  We had no agenda, no ritual, no anything like that (we didn't even get our Bibles out), but it was filled with Christ in all of us coming through to each other.   Things that I had learned here seemed to be even more revealed when we met in person.  I think others can testify to the same.  Hoping that it can work out again this year to do the same.

Joyce

Joyce,

Thanks.  But tell me, what made the time so LIFE filled?  Sounds wonderful.

Jim,

For some reason when I tried to post a reply, I found that I was unregistered and needed to register again.  Any subtle message to me?

Also, how does one only quote a piece of someone's message?

Tim

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Tim,

You asked what made the Springfield time so Life filled.  I seemed to be at a loss to answer that exactly and think maybe others would have an answer to that.  It did just come to mind though that maybe it's because when you are taught (given) freedom then there are not the usual restraints put upon the Spirit within us and He is free to flow out in a way that is not encouraged (or even believed) in the more institutional settings.  Maybe we had just been primed by months of learning to be released from the things that hinder the free flowing of Life.  

Just a thought.  Perhaps others can speak better on it.

Joyce

 

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Timbo wrote:

Jim,

For some reason when I tried to post a reply, I found that I was unregistered and needed to register again.  Any subtle message to me?

Also, how does one only quote a piece of someone's message?

Tim



Timbo ... the only subtle message I can think of might have to do with your own subconscious clicking of the "LOGOUT" button!    Your "Timothy" registration is still there.  You just now have to logout of "Timbo" (button, left-side, bottom) and then re-login (same button location once logged out) and enter the username "Timothy" with the corresponding password.

By the way, Joyce, your original login username, "Joyce", (with all its corresponding history) is also still in the database.  If you do the same you can pick up where you left off.  If you can't remember the password you can use the "lost password" function.

Tim, how to quote only part of a post can be easily applied after using the quote function by removing the text you don't want to quote.  Just make sure not to remove any part of the opening and closing bracketed commands.  Once you examine the simple command coding used you can make quotes with or without the quote button.

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Firefox has a neat extension that let's you copy what you want and paste it into the quick reply box as a quote. Beats having to type those
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tags all the time!

      

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Jim,

I tried to get back to logging in under "Joyce" and it wouldn't take my email address to find out my password.  I used my former email which was the one I had when I was on before.  I have a new one now and have the old one for only a couple more days.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,       Joyce

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Jhwah wrote:

Jim,

I tried to get back to logging in under "Joyce" and it wouldn't take my email address to find out my password.  I used my former email which was the one I had when I was on before.  I have a new one now and have the old one for only a couple more days.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,       Joyce



Yes, I do!  I will PM you with the info.  :)

Jim


      

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[QUOTE=Dave S]

Well, wow sometimes your comments make my brain hurt!!  I don't think I can make grace happen, but for some reason I can't rest and realize it is all of Jesus, because of many scriptures that seem to imply that it is us too. Like in the book of James,etc.

Hi Jesusfreaksa

Just sticking an oar in the waters again.

Ha, loved the comment about the brain hurting. Used to have a really big t-shirt with that one on it and wore it for years. Then discovered this: -

The greatest error in the whole of the Christian world is the belief that there are three lives.

1  The life of God which is righteousness and life

2 The life of Lucifer which is sin and death

3 My life or the I or the me

The so-called third life here would appear to be following one or the other. But there is no third life, there are only two. So when the question is posed, for instance, choose ye whom you will follow, in reality that question is answered in only two ways. The life of righteousness will follow the one way, the life of sin the other way.

It is by grace that we share ( are made divine partakers in the life of righteousness, which is Christ IN you). Delivered from one life unto another.

How true were His words which said "without me you can do nothing" (nothing towards the things of God).

Herein lies the rest for the children of God, that the life of Christ can do all things. Christ is the believer,Christ is faith, Christ is the deliverer.

As for me I just watch the one life increase as the other decreases simply because that which God has promised He WILL perform, and strangely enough He does perform it.

My years of struggling and failing miserably in thinking that the I (me) could bring great faith and unshakeable belief were all according to His purpose, so that the life which was actually given at the new birth would bring obedience to God.

What sheer relief to see a life that can sit one down at the right hand of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and to share in that life that has peace, perfect peace and which dwells upon the earth in the midst of death and decay.

Ye though I walk in the valley of the shadow of Death I will fear no evil.

Much love from a life which has taken the name of Dave ( Christ in Dave) ( Dave in Christ)

 

Wow, these words are so encouraging.  I felt the need to dig this up again.  The life never ends even in these words..



Thanks Jesus for truth

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Thanks for digging them up!!  I absolutely loved it.  Thank you Dave S.  That has to be one of the best and most easiest understood thing you have written.
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i died on a cross, crucified wih him, nevertheless i love, yet not i but he, and the love i love, i love by his faith, the Son of LOVE.   you are our life, jesus, our love, our simply believing in him, living and loving in him, in him new creation, when it all looks like a pagan hell or feels like it but the evidence of things to come, hoped for, inside us, is HIM! cheering us on, living his life, loving his love, for us.  he really is our rest.  our knowing him, our being known, risen power life, love! 

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