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Dignz
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Posted: Jun-16-11 at 10:31am | IP Logged  

when listening to christian radio - songs, testimonies, preachimonies, etc., reading christian articles, or browsing through christian tv broadcasts, youtube viewings, etc., all too often the content of what is presented, even tho' the love of God and what Jesus Christ came to accomplish may be included somewhere in the mix, there is still that all too familiar twinge of ... well ...  fear.    fear that what Christ accomplished simply wasn't/isn't enough ... it wasn't/isn't sufficient ... implying strongly that there is still yet something lacking or missing.

what are some observations you have made concerning these things in your own listening and watching?  what fears are perhaps still stirred up in you when these implications come visiting you in your heart and mind?




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Hi Sherri!

 I often find myself tuning to our local "christian" radio station and sundays flip thru the tv channels hoping i might find something but knowing that the opposite will be true. You hit the nail on the head,most of what is broadcast seems to be from an old testament perspective,almost as if any conversion experience with Christ is only one stepping stone in our relationship with God instead of THE corner stone resulting in a lifetime with Him.
      sometimes it is difficult to listen to but sometimes,i do hear songs or short blurbs(as compared to blather which is always encouraging) that are encouraging. I have also found that i really like BET(black entertainment television) "Video Gospel" show on sundays.Nothing but black gospel music videos.they are very powerful and fun.


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yeah, sometimes i wonder why i bother to listen, but really ... i find that i so appreciate hearing and observing the contrast of the 'christianity' i once knew and was very much a part of, to the real Person of Christ that i realize i know and am known by in the ever eternal NOW.  being known by Him in the midst of and despite the religious entrapments,  lies, and darkness has always been the beacon of Light illuminating more and more of Himself, drawing my heart and mind ever more farther away from so much of what i was convinced i needed in order to have anything to do with Him and/or Him with me.

once in a while, there will be the all too familiar twinges of guilt and fear stirred within me while listening to others either tout about themselves and all they are 'accomplishing for God' or what others are touting about someone else 'accomplishing for God', and how worthy of praise and honor and respect and ... they are, etc. 'verily i say, they have their reward'.   it is sad how quickly our hearts and minds ... our hope ... is quickly veiled again - darkened by the lies of the evil one that will consistently insist to us that we are lacking and need to get busy to fill that lack or lacks, plural, because for goodness sake, poor God is dependent upon our lack becoming filled, because if we lack He lacks and that just will not do.  so  we once again 'chase after' the ever elusive 'filling' and 'godly accomplishments' that will make Him proud of us and more accepting of us and we can then have more respect and honor amongst each other, and ... well ... blah blah blah.  know what i mean?

i know that all probably just sounds like pure B.S. stirred by jealousy, insecurity and the whole sha-bang.  and well ... that part of it may very well be ... that view that comes from the mind of man.  that is not the view i have any desire to entertain anymore.  when i feel it dwelling up within me once again, i more quickly recognize it for what it is ... the mind of man being manipulated by the lies of the lie-ing one.  i quickly remember the all too often damaging, painful, resulting effects from that mind i once spent so much time trying to satisfy.  it always ultimately led to and still leads to ... well ... remembering there has been a death.  the endless lack of being able to 'measure up' by my efforts according to the wisdom of the world, always led and leads me still to remember ... there has been a death!  and there has been a new birth!  i discover and rediscover over and over that my life is no longer that which was killed,  but is Christ's Life after all.  " it was a good death, " as whorf from star trek would say.    realizing that we are dead to that which is no longer our life to live anyway is always a good reminder,  for then we are realizing we are already living ... very much alive in Him ... resting and thriving at the same time. 

now before i get blasted with accusations that i must be against 'christian service', ('blasted' ~ which i will be anyway no matter what i say or how i say it) that is NOT what i am saying ... i don't think.           in other words, i have no condemnation for anyone who truly helps another, (whether or not they even realize it or are even aware of it), nor am i against anyone who receives needed help from another.   i have been on the receiving end of 'help' many times and i thank God so very much for His heart toward me and my loved ones in that way.  i will always be thankful, for He has given us thankful hearts.  He has His ways of reminding us of that from time to time, doesn't He?     i have also been able to be on the 'helping' end many times, and times i am sure i am not even aware of, (which is fine by me, for we know that true help is from God through whatever vessel He may choose to 'help' from.)  however, if we were to get caught up in the 'compare games' i admit humbly that i would fall embarrassingly short in the eyes and hearts of judgments and condemnations from the mind of man.  blcht .....

thank God that we stand in Him alone, and not in our 'helpings' or lack thereof.  the heart of God is true to the heart of God, and if it is the very heart, life and spirit of God in Whom we live and breathe from, then we have nothing to fear or worry about.   




      

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  One thing that especially jumped out at me from your post Sherri,
 
"i discover and rediscover over and over that my life is no longer
that which was killed,  but is Christ's Life after all.  "
 
 This to me is the heart of the difference we see in a living day to day walk with Christ vs the one seen so often in the institutional Church. I was listening to a message the other day from James Barrons website. he was quoting the passage where moses interacted with Israel after being in Gods presence.To me that is where the IC seems to live,almost as if they forget the veil has  been taken away and we no longer need to try to see past it,we are already seeing Christ with unveiled faces.In order to really experience this though,one has to admit that the work in us is indeed finished in HIM and is not a work in progress by us.

12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
 

 


      

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Posted: Jun-18-11 at 10:51am | IP Logged  

so very rich Sher!

Dave, it is indeed finished through Jesus.I too
believe this.


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Posted: Jun-19-11 at 3:53am | IP Logged  

"To me that is where the IC seems to live, almost as if they forget the veil has  been taken away ..."  <mcdave

yes, very true ... perhaps our hearts desire for them is to know it and for all of us to remember it and remind one another, as you are doing here.  




      

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Hey guys. Sanvannah and I listen to Christian music in my car all the time. She loves it and I know I can play it safely without worrying about language. I hear religious stuff in the lyrics all the time that I hope go over my daughters head, but there have been a few times where she has asked me questions about what the songs mean and it has been great opportunities for us to spark up a conversation about Jesus and real life. I love when that happens between us. It gives me the chance to explain Jesus in her and to watch the understanding and confidence in her. So cool. Not that we dont find life elsewhere mind you. Just one of the many places. Love Rick.

      

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rickh wrote:
Hey guys. Sanvannah and I listen to Christian music in my car all the time. She loves it and I know I can play it safely without worrying about language. I hear religious stuff in the lyrics all the time that I hope go over my daughters head, but there have been a few times where she has asked me questions about what the songs mean and it has been great opportunities for us to spark up a conversation about Jesus and real life. I love when that happens between us. It gives me the chance to explain Jesus in her and to watch the understanding and confidence in her. So cool. Not that we dont find life elsewhere mind you. Just one of the many places. Love Rick.


Ricky!

I love your description of this interaction between you and your daughter. This sort of thing has played a huge part of my own experience in Christ. :)

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Posted: Jun-24-11 at 4:50am | IP Logged  

me, too Rick ... enjoyed that!       




      

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