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Posted: Jul-12-10 at 10:25pm | IP Logged  

Something I have been meditating on for a while now is the fact that in nature, there is not one thing created that is perfectly straight. Everything is curved in some way. And I keep getting the heartfelt feeling that somehow God created things that way to teach a wonderful illustration in life, that:

1. Only God is straight. (several words having to do with righteousness in Hebrew carry the idea of straightness)
2. That miraculously, we are straight (in Christ, out of the state of crookedness we were in before)
3. Like God, who is the creator, we have been given the ability as the only living beings with the ability to create something straight and uncurved.

I have only begun to think through all this but wanted to see if this sparks any thoughts in any of you.

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     Well, Ron, geometrically speaking, there really are some straight things.  Some flowers, for example, have a very straight stem, well, many do.
      As to the variety  that there is in curvature (well, ask yourself or any man about that )  Curvature and the various geometric shapes we see in nature, add variety and depth to our surroundings.  Beautiful!!!!

      I LOVE #2!  "That miraculously we are straight (in Christ, out of the state of crookedness we were in before).    It is wonderful to think that we have been brought 'out of the state' of the one, and 'into the state' of the New Creation, and His righteousness!  I never tire of 'hearing' that!

    

      


Edited by mary on Jul-13-10 at 7:51pm


      

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mary wrote:

          As to the variety in that there is in curvature (well, ask yourself or any man about that )  Curvature and the various geometric shapes we see in nature, add variety and depth to our surroundings.  Beautiful!!!!

   


Well, I took a hard look at my curvature (aka...stomach) and yes, it is truly beautiful. We are hoping for a girl this time, but you never know with these male pregnancies.


      

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Edited by mary on Jul-13-10 at 7:50pm


      

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that is soooo weird.  for the past couple of days i have been thinking about how in nature, there does not seem to be very much that is square or rectangular ... like boxes, appliances, electronics, etc.  that man makes.    i just now tonight found this thread, ron. 

i wanted to ask if anyone else could think of other things in nature that are square and rectangular.  my granddaughter today reminded me that sometimes different stones/rocks get shaped that way.  that is all we could think of today.

it seems that there is more in life that is rounded, curved, curly, any other kind of shape, etc. than square or rectangular. 

i don't know why this has been on my mind this week, other than because i have been working on some craftsy type stuff ... beads, wires, etc.

anyway ...

"...we have been given the ability as the only living beings with the ability to create something straight and uncurved." <-ron

you might laugh but the first thought that came to my mind was a bull that makes a line in the dirt/ground with his leg and hoof as he prepares to attack or charge forward.    don't ask me why ... i couldn't tell ya how this brain of my works.    


      

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Thanks for your thoughts. I think I changed my mind about the blog I was planning to write. You make a great point about things being rounded, and that was part of what I was thinking of writing about as I believe there is a divine reason for that in God's mind, but nevertheless, More research to do now. 




      

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The only thing i can think of off hand that is straight is a waterfall.maybe those are allowed to be straight because they signify life giving spirit,ie living water

      

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mcdave wrote:
The only thing i can think of off hand that is straight is a waterfall.maybe those are allowed to be straight because they signify life giving spirit,ie living water


However, even falling water does not begin straight or end straight.
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i was thinking more of straight lines together in box forms ... square and rectangular ... sharp corners ... no round-ness or cylindrical-ness (is that a word)     ...   no other variety of shape, form, etc.? 

i still have not been able to think of anything in nature that way, other than what man has created himself.  not saying that is 'bad' or anything.  i am just intrigued is all.  can anyone remind me of something naturally in those shapes? 

it is so funny now ... i am so much more aware now and getting 'bothered' and 'bored' with all the straight edges around me.  i know artists have been aware of this for ages, but ... i am reahhhhhhllly sloooooow at coming to see a lot of things in this life. 




      

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There is a whole "no straight lines in nature" movement in architecture and science which makes me suspect them.i can think of one though,light.it is the one element in nature that moves and can only be represented as a straight line.there is a spiritual context there but i already got in deep over the waterfall idea so won't go there

      

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You know Dave, I was thinking of light rays as well, which is pretty cool because God is light. No worries about not wanting to go there though. I was just excited when I was thinking about the possible spiritual lessons coming out of the "no straight lines in nature" idea which I had been looking into. I certainly wasn't trying to turn this into a scientific debate.  I do appreciate that thought on light though, as that was something I was considering as well. 

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Regarding the idea of no-straight-lines, I can appreciate the basic concept that most of our buildings do not reflect what we see around us, and it would be pretty cool to see some interesting new shapes. We build boxes squares and rectangles. As to the proposition that there are no straight lines, I would have to question that, especially in view of the way we build boxes with straight lines. After all, many of our square and rectangle buildings were formed by some naturally shaped straight trees. Of course, if somebody wants to prove their argument, a perfectly straight bar could show that even straight trees aren't exactly straight. But then again, a lot of our supposedly straight architecture isn't perfectly straight either. Just put a plumb bob on my house and you'll see what I mean!!  There's a whole lot of perception behind many claims.

It's a good discussion.

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Well, maybe I can think more about how to write what I intend. Just don't want to be spouting off something out of my butt that isn't real you know? God knows I have done that way too many times. Just not sure how I would present it so it could be taken as encouragement and not something to argue over.  Decisions, decisions.

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he he he..I am not too sure anyone here would argue about it but, hey knock yourself out bro!

      

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   Adam, I'm so glad you said that!     Ron!!!!


      

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Ron,my only concern would be that what you spout out of your butt comes out in a straight line

      

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Apologies for that last not so spiritual comment

      

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LOL!!! So many directions to go with that last comment, and they would all get me smacked by my wife, so I will behave.  I just love looking for little illustrations of his life through things we can see in nature, and so when I heard of the possibility of there being nothing perfectly straight in nature, and knowing that straightness is the picture that describes righteousness, just so many things started rolling around in my head to consider.

Certainly not trying to "prove" anything by it, but just love little things that remind me of realities. What I have been considering is whether there being so many things that are either curved or angled, bumpy, lumpy, and whatever else exists that makes something not perfectly straight in its totality could possibly demonstrate how God subjected creation to futility (crookedness) and demonstrates his miraculousness in our being made righteous (as straight as God is) even while in the midst of all the crookedness we see all around us and in the old crooked dead flesh we temporarily are in.


      

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