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mcdave
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Posted: Aug-01-10 at 2:06pm | IP Logged  

I often wonder if i will ever be settled in my inner being concerning ic attendance.there is a component of who i am that seems to require the amount of interpersonal interaction that  comes from being involved with an organized institutional church.i do not miss the life sucking demands that the institution asks but miss the social interaction that comes during the flow before and after the official service.today i was sipping my usual cup of morning coffee and thought"why don't i go to church?" so i did.
  i have been thinking again of attending the new "progressive" Lutheran church that my daughter and her husband have started attending.i've gone a couple of times so knew what to expect as far as the service itself went.what i did not expect was to find many many people i had come to know over the years from other fellowships and places that have gravitated there.i had told mary that all i really need from a "church" was to be able to socially interact before church,a service that did not make my head explode and maybe one or two guys that i can have coffee with once and awhile. maybe this will be it.
          the worship was ok,pretty talented and lively band as far as that goes but i could not really "enter in" as it seemed foreign.then came a fairly decent  message complete with multi media but was still tilted towards the shadow.it was over in a merciful 1 hour and 15 minutes.

 after "church" was over, i spoke or at least said hi to over a dozen people that i knew personally and several more that did the church thing to say hi to the newcomer.i also was able to visit with my daughter a bit and  hug my granddaughters.walking out i bumped into one guy i casually knew from my old church that i had always tried to encourage in his walk with Jesus as he always seemed to struggle and be downcast and he actually began to cry while talking to me.....maybe the ic isn't any longer about what i can get out of it but what i can give to those who are searching for real life and peace.we'll see.


      

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Let me just say Dave, I affirm the One in you and how he is moving in and through you. I join with you in gratitude for what you shared. That's all I really am trying to say.




Edited by gregoryfl on Aug-01-10 at 6:16pm


      

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Debi
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Dave, I appreciate you sharing this "unsettledness" that you experience.

I too have this desire for face to face interpersonal interactions. Someone told us, we  needed to become completely dependent on God and then He would bring people into our lives-going on over 15 years of waiting now-does that mean we still aren't completely dependent? (I just love it when someone has God all figured out.)

I liked what you said at the end of your post: maybe the ic isn't any longer about what i can get out of it but what i can give to those who are searching for real life and peace.

Anyway, I was reading a health blog & came upon this statement & thought of your post:
Needed for good health:
Face-to-face social interaction, in addition to online interaction. Humans are social animals, and face-to-face social interaction contributes to promoting the right hormonal balance.



      

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Dignz
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absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have that personal one on one with people, ya know?  i know we have been here before with all of this, but you know you are not alone mcdave.    if you need the personal interaction with folks, and a church setting is where you want and need to get it, then you are certainly free to do so, ya know?  you do have much to offer, and not that someone else has nothing to offer you as well. 

you know that you do not have to commit yourself to their religious expectations, altho' you are also pretty sure they will eventually question why you are there at all if you do not 'agree' with them.  and that is fine, too.  you can come and go as you please for as long as they welcome you to, ya know?  jesus and the apostles visited the religious gatherings from time to time to speak of and support the truth of god and himself.  sometimes they were well accepted and sometimes they were not.  there is no 'law' at present one way or the other as to whether you can not go ... until and/or unless they create one for you, of course.  and we know that happens sometimes.  sometimes it can just be a very crystal clear insinuation without coming right out and saying 'here is our law or by-law concerning you'. 

anyway ... you know all that.  i just support you.  who knows, really.  you may go a few times and be drawn to someone or someone-s plural who would LOVE to get together with you over coffee and just chat and connect heart-to-heart, ya know?  it may be such a good thing that you don't even have to go back to the ic to continue it. 

i think that it is great that you were true to and free enough with yourself and that voice that said, "why don't i go to church?"  and you just up and went.    maybe you will find what you need and are looking for, and maybe you will not.  regardless, you are free brother. 




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    Dave,

          I'm glad you shared this here.   Love you!!


Edited by mary on Aug-02-10 at 2:12pm


      

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luvin
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Dave,
Great to see ya pop in! Always nice to see a familiar face like yours bro.

At the risk of sounding "anti" anything here I will do my best to share my point and recent experiences and thoughts hopefully in a way that it does not suggest a rule for anyone else. For my understanding seems to always be catching up with my true life.

Actually as I was reading Sheri's encouragements to  Dave I was thinking about freedom. You see I [and so many of us] too have had and continue to have many "needs" crying out to me in this journey of life in the Beloved.[that's Jesus!] There are so many of these needs and wants that I just couldn't even mention them all without leaving some out. I have found great struggle in my own personal life with regard to these needs. I have found that in the wanting and then corresponding fulfillment of these things I often do not get what it is I always assumed I would get out of it. For I took the true need along with me for the ride. It reminds me of something Jim once said about God revealing things often time in the midst of our struggles while we are out attempting to supply what it is we need. I like that. It says to me that whatever need I may have, that He is sufficient despite what ever I may think about it.[or pursue] Geez there are some things I just choose not to live without and can get away with it right now. There are others I know I would need in the body that I do not get because of opportunity or lack there of. Yet there are other things, that I COULD work out that I do "need" but, don't because the cost is too great to me[and others] right now I don't fully pursue them. All the while I have seen much about my true life in the midst of these stages of my wants. For He has provided for me in the most unusual way Life right in the midst of things I can't even stand in the natural realm. He has provided great wisdom in the midst of things I could never have produced just throwing time,change, or money at you know? I have suspected and even found that many of my needs are really not needs at all but they are longings for fulfillment, stuff I already have but, do not either know it or want. The dark places in my former mind that keep turning the table around to make it appear that I do not have EVERYTHING.

Anyway I could say more but, this was already long winded enough. I guess the "moral" for me is that we can have full confidence in that whatever we "do" or "don't do" that Christ who is our true life will keep on revealing that which is true life and that which is only a mirage. I have so many of those things I am blessed to observe.

Hey this is what Sheri's post inspired in me. I really hope it doesn't imply anything other than what I am trying to write. I just feel we can have confidence either way. Doing or not doing.

Adam
PS: I reserve the right to change my perspective!


      

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Dignz
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that was awesome adam!  

especially:  "we can have full confidence in that whatever we "do" or "don't do" that Christ who is our true life will keep on revealing that which is true life and that which is only a mirage."

and:

"It reminds me of something Jim once said about God revealing things often time in the midst of our struggles while we are out attempting to supply what it is we need. I like that. It says to me that whatever need I may have, that He is sufficient despite what ever I may think about it."
 
wow!  i really like that, too!  i LOVE that!! 









      

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Debi
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Posted: Aug-02-10 at 10:22pm | IP Logged  

Yes, the freedom to go to the ic or not to go.

I second what Sherri said. Thanks for you post Adam!

I would love to go to an ic and encourage someone. It just never seemed to work out that way. Seems like people got very upset if you were suggesting something different than what was being taught (but looking back, that wasn't necessarily bad it just felt bad.)

We've decided it might be better to just find a social group doing something you like and just see if God has anyone there that may be open-
Sunday archery sounds good. (Practicing those hunting and gathering skills.)


      

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A social group that I like as a place to hang out and share sounds great.That is actually what the shack has been to me over these years since leaving "organized" church.still even in the midst of that i am constantly trying to figure out ways then,to get together in person with people from here.that is a bit of a job being so far flung but mary(who is of course my true coffee buddy and best friend)and i have managed to meet or spend time with quite a few of the shack folks.something about physical proximity of friends that adds to the enjoyment of life.
     i have also  been blessed during the last year or so to be able to spend quality coffee time with Tim from the shack while he and his wife ponder direction after being on the mission field in russia for so many years.It has been an unexpected gift that someone i met here on the shack would coincidentally not only have children attending the college where i work but that they would also move from russia to northfield for an extended stay.who's next?
     i am learning that my reasons for wanting to attend "church" are evolving constantly with the one truth remaining that i know regardless of where we go or what we do,that we  already have all we need and more in Christ wherever we find ourselves.


      

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that was great dave ... i enjoyed reading you on that.    and i sooo agree and relate!  

and by the way ... tim, wherever you are ... been missin' ya, AND where and what ARE you guyz planning on doing?  anything more concrete yet?  i have been wondering about that all week and part of last week and kept meaning to ask when i got on the shack, but also kept forgetting when i got here.   

thanx for reminding me mcdave, even tho' you probably didn't realize you were. 




      

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Tim P
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mcdave wrote:

     i have also  been blessed during the last year or so to be able to spend quality coffee time with Tim from the shack while he and his wife ponder direction after being on the mission field in russia for so many years.It has been an unexpected gift that someone i met here on the shack would coincidentally not only have children attending the college where i work but that they would also move from russia to northfield for an extended stay.who's next?
 


Just happened upon this, Dave.  Same to ya' bro!  We've had some meaningful times this year.  See you this coming week and our last time for a spell.

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Dignz wrote:

and by the way ... tim, wherever you are ... been missin' ya, AND where and what ARE you guyz planning on doing?  anything more concrete yet?  i have been wondering about that all week and part of last week and kept meaning to ask when i got on the shack, but also kept forgetting when i got here.   



Yep, I've been playing hooky.
Thanks for asking, Sher.  On Aug. 18 we'll be moving to Orlando for a year to serve at our HQ during this time of transition in our lives.  I know we'll be closer to your neck-o-the-woods than we have been before and I'd sure like to meet you and Jim sometime this next year.  I hope to meet Ron, too.


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Tim P wrote:

Yep, I've been playing hooky.
Thanks for asking, Sher.  On Aug. 18 we'll be moving to Orlando for a year to serve at our HQ during this time of transition in our lives.  I know we'll be closer to your neck-o-the-woods than we have been before and I'd sure like to meet you and Jim sometime this next year.  I hope to meet Ron, too.


For sure, we gotta do it! Hey, we can even talk things over while plummeting down one of the many rides in the area, although that might not allow us to drink coffee at the same time. Contact us when you get down.

Jim


      

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oh tim, that would be GREAT!      it would be awesome to see ron and his butterfly again!  getting together would be awesome!  maybe rick and tracey could join us, too.  (of course that automatically includes seeing the kids as well)    let's do it! 






      

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the shovel wrote:
Tim P wrote:

Yep, I've been playing hooky.
Thanks for asking, Sher.  On Aug. 18 we'll be moving to Orlando for a year to serve at our HQ during this time of transition in our lives.  I know we'll be closer to your neck-o-the-woods than we have been before and I'd sure like to meet you and Jim sometime this next year.  I hope to meet Ron, too.


For sure, we gotta do it! Hey, we can even talk things over while plummeting down one of the many rides in the area, although that might not allow us to drink coffee at the same time. Contact us when you get down.

Jim


Why don't we sip coffee while we plummet down on a nice comfortable recliner.  
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the shovel
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Tim P wrote:
the shovel wrote:
Tim P wrote:

Yep, I've been playing hooky.
Thanks for asking, Sher.  On Aug. 18 we'll be moving to Orlando for a year to serve at our HQ during this time of transition in our lives.  I know we'll be closer to your neck-o-the-woods than we have been before and I'd sure like to meet you and Jim sometime this next year.  I hope to meet Ron, too.


For sure, we gotta do it! Hey, we can even talk things over while plummeting down one of the many rides in the area, although that might not allow us to drink coffee at the same time. Contact us when you get down.

Jim


Why don't we sip coffee while we plummet down on a nice comfortable recliner.  


I could go for that!!


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it is certainly a LOT more economical!      and that is a VERY GOOD idea!  




      

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