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What's the difference?

      

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Hmm,

I think a "rule" is something that we think that is the norm of behaviour.  Like... "as a rule, we do such and such".

Aren't "habbits" those small people that were in "Lord Of The Rings?"

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he he he..well I think you mean hobbits!

Well there are MANY different kinds of rules aren't there?Such as the "rule of thumb".Habbits[not Hobbits/lol] on the other hand are different maybye..



      

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aren't habits those things nuns wear?i'm pretty sure there was an elvis movie about them too...a change of habit with mary tyler moore
 seriously,isn't a habit something we do out of routine and a rule is something we follow because we are told to?


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Sometimes a rule is merely our habit (or opinion) we force on others.

      

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umm Bill just what habbit ,I mean oppinion you referring to?lol

      

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   Speaking of habits.....I've had a smoking habit, or addiction, for about 10 years.  I quit for 7 and then went back to it.  About 2 months ago, before we went to S.Carolina, I told Dave that I felt that while we were on vacation, that would be a good time to quit.  So, after leaving S. C., I dropped the rest of the pack into the garbage can at a hotel we stopped at on the home.  What I felt was miraculous, was that I didn't have any withdrawals at all!

    Now, it's been a little over two weeks, and I have moments where I feel really free of it, and then there are times when I really want to start smoking again!  The moments that I feel free, I know I'm free, and the times I want to smoke again, I feel that!  It's not a physical craving anymore, so I don't know what I'm dealing with here.

     Also, I wanted to share it here on the forum now.  I honestly feel bad for Dave sometimes who hears about this day in and day out, and I'm sure grows tired of it.  I don't know, maybe I feel the more honest I am about it with you all, maybe that will help me get through to the end of it.
     

   


      

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from one who knows...life is GREAT on the other side!

      

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Hi all.   Habits are hard to break, but rules are broken frequently.
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mary wrote:

... I have moments where I feel really free of it, and then there are times when I really want to start smoking again!  The moments that I feel free, I know I'm free, and the times I want to smoke again, I feel that! 

Hi Mary.   I understand.  My personal struggle is with food.  There are days when I am on top of it, and then all of a sudden it is an issue again.  I think at times we don't give ourselves enough credit, we are too hard on ourselves. We focus on our failures instead of thinking on the success that we have had, how far we've come.   You did great to quit for so long!  That is a wonderful achievement of success!  Not everyone can do that!  And you did! 

Recently I read that feelings are fleeting.  If we wait it out that feeling of craving will pass. 

 

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i think a habit is something out of learned behaviour; ways we respond or react from need, survival, 'filling the hole' that kind of thing- internal behavourial thingies. Rules are those things outside ourselves we perform for in order to fullfill them and funnily enough get stressed out if we are not able to

 



      

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    awww, Judy, and Adam, thanks so much for your posts.  Adam, it's good to the spirit to know there are those who've been there and done that, and want to share the great freeness of being free and living there.

     Judy, it's always encouraging to see you posting here.  Your down-to-earth way of sharing and this thought of "waiting and letting that craving pass."  I sense that, I know it, Lord help me to LET it happen!

     Xray, that was great!  
  
     I hope we all share more about this.  I mean, it's "real" when you're going through it.

    




    


      

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Marry..you get any sweeter..I'm gonna call ya "cup cake"!!

      

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Cupcakes?  Did someone say cupcakes?  

I'm just starting the post that way because I can identify with Judy.  I have been a yo-yo person most of my life in that area.  It is said that people who are in a group support type of thing have 3 times the success as others.  I know that can be of the world just as well, but I think it may say something to us as well.  We do need each other in the Body, if for no other reason to let us know that "It's Ok" whatever we are experiencing. 

There is the aspect too of being made to feel like our particular habit is one of "the bad ones".  There have been sermons preached from "on high"  (the pulpit) by persons that are hundreds of pounds rebuking the drinking, smoking and cussing crowd.  Can't we just see that we're all in the same boat.... or better yet the challenge that there is no boat now for us.

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PS  Mary, I think we should start to call you cupcake.  Very recently it has come to mind to change my name as well... you know to kind of being representative that I am a new person now... not the old.   Am trying some new ones out. 

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Ok Cupcake and Marissa,

We are really heading down some unchartered territory here with the whole habit/rule thing with regard to how we live our lives.Joyce you are leading into something I find very interesting.We judge spiritual growth based on outer behaviours,habbits.."bondages" or the lack of these things.We I think [or at least I still do]judge ourselves and others based upon how "good" there flesh is acting.It's sooo hard for us to escape that one.It is so much easier to see why Christ living in us would take a habbit away to show how spiritual we are than to struggle with having it in our lives and have to walk by faith that we are completely perfect in His sight.



      

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Judy wrote:
Hi all.   Habits are hard to break, but rules are broken frequently.

 

Judy that's just brilliant!! that's gotta go up there with all the best one-liners



      

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[/QUOTE]

I find very interesting.We judge spiritual growth based on outer behaviours,habbits.."bondages" or the lack of these things.We I think [or at least I still do]judge ourselves and others based upon how "good" there flesh is acting.

This has got to surley be one of the biggest battles i live with everyday. and here i am now saying i 'live' with this...and I don't have to do I?

God give the faith to walk this not the eyes to see ..know what I mean?



      

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[QUOTE=luvin]

Ok Cupcake and Marissa,

 



      

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   I had some thoughts, but I'm too tired to follow up on where it could to in a conversation right now.  Thanks all!


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   oops, post delete



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   I had some thoughts, but I'm too tired to follow up on where it could lead to in a conversation at this time.  Thanks, everyone!


      

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    oops, oops a double post delete. 
  
    Love, Cupcake

   


      

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    Oh no!!!!  Help Jim!  Help!    


      

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mary wrote:

    oops, oops a double post delete. 
  
    Love, Cupcake


  oh no, oh no! Not a double post delete!!!    This is rich! You've got me laughing now.

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mary wrote:

    Oh no!!!!  Help Jim!  Help!    


Dear Mary ... consider yourself helped!       

Love, Jim


      

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Now, I've got a question ... would you call this a habit? And do you think we ought to start a rule?  

      

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Jim i'd like to know your "ruling" on it?lol

      

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Hey!are you guys having fun at my cupcakes expense?

      

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   You guys are gettin' it! 



      

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luvin wrote:
Jim i'd like to know your "ruling" on it?lol


I try not to make a habit of it.


      

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So where does the habit leave us in Christ????   Is it a matter of surrendering to the life we have within us and realizing the reality we are in Christ.  Or is it embracing the life we have and walking in faith despite the habit???  Is the habit the truth or the lie???







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Real,

I would probably only have questions that come to mind in response to your post.  If we smoke, are we "smokers'?  If we drink, are we "drinkers"?  If we overeat, are we "gluttons"?  If we sin, are we "sinners"?  Do we sin?

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Is the habit the truth or the lie???

The question is, who is it that is condemning the "habit", as in, who condemned Adam's "nakedness".

Who is it that draws the line in the sand as to how trivial/real naughty the habit may be. As in, who draws the line in the sand, as to how high a heel on a high heeled shoe needs to be before a woman is deemed acceptable or a "tart".

If I smoke 5 ciggies a day they tell me thats acceptable, 40 a day,and I'll be dead in a year.

Just who the **** is telling us that?

It is so beootiful when you know who ISN'T

 

 

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Hi Kids,
This is an interestin' discussion ya'll are havin'!.... If I may inject some "food fer thot"(?)
"If a 'Bad Habbit' brings someone closer to being "absent from the Body and present with the Lord", does that make it a "good habbit"?

Somthin' ta think 'bout?
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    Well, I LOVE what Dave S. saying here, "cause what he is saying is that whether we have e a "habit" or not, God is condemning NOONE!

     As to matters of health, as I have been "dipping" into my ciggies (I love that Dave! ) again, I have been noticing an acidic reflux, and sometimes a "bit" of a migraine to go along with it.  So, if I pitch those ciggies into the trash again, it will simply be because I am tired of the nausea, and not for being under any condemnation at all!

     And  once again, this thought of "To the pure all things are pure" is coming to mind, for  there is no longer the knowledge of "sin" in any of these things atall!


      

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Dave S,

Agree with what you are saying, but it seems it is easier to see it in things that we do that are only affecting us.  What about the things we do that hurt others.  How do you deal with that?   (ie. gossip, stealing, adultery, anger, being hurtful, etc.)

(And you're not allowed to say, "Who said they were hurt?")    

Joyce

 

(Nice to have you posting, Seniorkid.)  

 



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mary wrote:

    Well, I LOVE what Dave S. saying here, "cause what he is saying is that whether we have e a "habit" or not, God is condemning NOONE!

     As to matters of health, as I have been "dipping" into my ciggies (I love that Dave! ) again, I have been noticing an acidic reflux, and sometimes a "bit" of a migraine to go along with it.  So, if I pitch those ciggies into the trash again, it will simply be because I am tired of the nausea, and not for being under any condemnation at all!

     And  once again, this thought of "To the pure all things are pure" is coming to mind, for  there is no longer the knowledge of "sin" in any of these things atall!

 

 

Marry I loved you sharing your comments!!!




      

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Joyce wrote:

Dave S,

Agree with what you are saying, but it seems it is easier to see it in things that we do that are only affecting us.  What about the things we do that hurt others.  How do you deal with that?   (ie. gossip, stealing, adultery, anger, being hurtful, etc.)

Joyce

(Nice to have you posting, Seniorkid.)  

 

 

Honest question..



      

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So where does the habit leave us in Christ????   Is it a matter of surrendering to the life we have within us and realizing the reality we are in Christ.  Or is it embracing the life we have and walking in faith despite the habit???  Is the habit the truth or the lie???





 

I think the whole struggle,fight or battle in the flesh's strenght is the "lie" real.



      

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Dave S wrote:

Is the habit the truth or the lie???

The question is, who is it that is condemning the "habit", as in, who condemned Adam's "nakedness".

Who is it that draws the line in the sand as to how trivial/real naughty the habit may be. As in, who draws the line in the sand, as to how high a heel on a high heeled shoe needs to be before a woman is deemed acceptable or a "tart".

If I smoke 5 ciggies a day they tell me thats acceptable, 40 a day,and I'll be dead in a year.

Just who the **** is telling us that?

It is so beootiful when you know who ISN'T

 

Dave ,yes I see this reveals someone who is walking under the law![could be a christian OR someone not alive unto God]

 

I AM

 



      

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   , Lovin! 


      

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Dave S,

Also, since you keep asking "WHO SAID?..." (with regard to someone who keeps lying to us)  

I agree with Luvin in that the "vessels used" are from the religious, law-driven; but what about ultimately?  Would it be .... "a pon in the hand of God"  (?)

Joyce

 



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Joyce wrote:

Real,

I would probably only have questions that come to mind in response to your post.  If we smoke, are we "smokers'?  If we drink, are we "drinkers"?  If we overeat, are we "gluttons"?  If we sin, are we "sinners"?  Do we sin?

Joyce



Yes, Joyce this is exactly what crossed my mind.   Despite the habit we are clothed in Christ.  And the lie isn't the reality because it's not of Christ. 
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[QUOTE=Dave S]

Is the habit the truth or the lie???

The question is, who is it that is condemning the "habit", as in, who condemned Adam's "nakedness".

Who is it that draws the line in the sand as to how trivial/real naughty the habit may be. As in, who draws the line in the sand, as to how high a heel on a high heeled shoe needs to be before a woman is deemed acceptable or a "tart".

If I smoke 5 ciggies a day they tell me thats acceptable, 40 a day,and I'll be dead in a year.

Just who the **** is telling us that?

It is so beootiful when you know who ISN'T

 

 

I AM




Yes, Dave S this so true.  It's realizing that those old grave clothes have already been taken off.  It's just a matter of resting in our new clothes of Christ.  And those habits only really seem real because we seem to make them real.  The lie is what lead us to the habit in the first place.







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I find it interesting that when considering a habit that we so easily gravitate to thinking in terms of something that is bad. A habit is merely something we do or think repeatedly.

For example, I have a habit of getting up very early every morning. Of course, that coincides with the fact that I have to be at work by 4 am ... so it proves quite beneficial. 

I also have a habit of drinking coffee on the weekends. I used to drink coffee every morning but I didn't like what it was doing to my system after a while (like keeping me awake when I'd rather be sleeping, as well as other digestive disorders).

I also smile a lot, and often I am totally unaware of it. It makes some people happy and probably irritates the hell out of others! Years ago, I was told by one of the elders of the local group I attended that I was "up too much" ... and other than caffeine I can't attribute any of it to drug-induced grinning!   I know that some of my smiling stems from a feeling of well-being, however, I'm also aware that I simply find many things quite amusing.

I guess the point in all this is to wonder why we often seem to categorize a habit in terms of evil rather than just being what it is: something repeated on some level of consistency. That we might judge ourselves or others according to the presence of a habit only reveals the insistence of the mind of the world that we must do so. It's just another way to demand that we are not really free.

Because of this world-wide deception we've turned the "habit" into a monster that forces us to spend much time and energy trying to free ourselves from it. Of course, the "up" side to it all is that one can profit by selling his or her technique on how "you, too, can free yourself" of the particular bad habit.

Jim :)


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thanks,, Jim,for the upbeat take on the subject.  It never even occured to me to think of habits in these terms.  I've got a ways to go to consider myself in terms of the postive.  I'm making my way there....................................................... ...........................................................h ey,lets's share a habit that we have that has a positive spin on it, like you did.

I always brush my teeth, morning and night.  How's that?



      

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i have a habit of having habits. I love them, I hate them. love to hate em. hate to love em. some i love to love and hate to hate.   i figure if i love em, theyll leave me alone.  

      

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Wikipedia has an interesting description of a habit, and what it is neurologically. It also suggests we cannot live without some form of habit so as to structure our lives. Other habits are developed using the same principles, namely, showing ourselves pictures(stimulus) then reacting. If you change the pictures, you change the reaction. I used to light a smoke at every red light i stopped at. I started to take a gulp of water instead during red lights. I recognized patterns, and changed them.  It's becoming concious, instead of unconcious. Being aware of what we're thinking and doing. Oh ya, I'm no longer a smoker and feel fabulous.



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