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Occasionally, someone approaches the Shack as if they've seen all this before, and we only have a part of the truth. I can't tell you how many IC experiences that statement reminds me of. I've walked out of churches where the thought was expressed from the pulpit, because it was way too chillingly close to my LDS experience growing up.

I don't doubt that there are other communities like the Shack, some with people who may be less obtuse than yours truly. But I have never witnessed a place before the Shack where Jesus was IT. People come and recognize some part of the language, looking for the doctrinal statements and I think it frustrates them to not find them posted. In their desire to pin us down to find out what we're all about, they look for what they believe are the key phrases and then approach us from what they perceive is the doctrinal stance of the Shack.

I imagine that must fluster some when their approach to us is not met with the response they expected. I personally find it frustrating that they jumped in without really knowing what we were about.



      

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A huge learning experience I had while in college in the early 90's was when I was in the school parking lot and got locked out of my car. Me and a friend walked across the street to find that there was a Mormom Temple with a full staff there. I was ushered right into one of the elders office and actually [but oddly to me at the time] felt quite comfortable. The elder then proceeded to go out ohf his way to help me and make sure I got the help I needed. During this small event in my life I felt all the same feelings I would feel whenever a christian ministry or christian bro or sis would help me out. THIS WORRIED ME! How could "they" have the love of God? They weren't in the "truth" so how could that be????Hmmmmm...think God was at work? I think so. Odlly enough I thought I had all things figured out THEN...lol yeah...not exactly!

      

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"I personally find it frustrating that they jumped in without really knowing what we were about."

i hear you and feel you brother. 

a couple of thoughts:

1.  sometimes they DO know what we are about and from their observation of us they conclude that we are still yet 'lacking' or are 'malfunctioning' and want to come in and be our 'fixer'.

2.  many come  not really knowing what we are about, just curious, and they just do their best to figure it out as they try to 'find a place' for them here  because they eventually really do sense a desire to participate and be a part of what we enjoy so much together.  (that being the very life of god in christ jesus)

i was thinking it would be awesome great to hear from each of you about your own first visits here on the shack and where your hearts were at that time, what you were looking for and/or hoping to find, (if anything) and how you felt about being here and what you thought about it AT FIRST.

this would be wonderful fun to reminisce together, because some of us have been here for quite a while and may have forgotten what it was like when we first came along, not sure what we were going to find, etc.

i love this post bill and i love how you expressed it!  really great thoughts and observations!  :)

thanx for sharing your experience too adam.  :)   hey, where is my pic of the princess?


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Adam:

I really enjoyed reading your posts. 

Thanks.



      

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Bill, it's the life here that attracts me.  Hey, I am realitively new here, and I just stumbled in.  I had no idea (still discovering) what the shack was all about or for that matter "The Shovel."  The language of "us" and "them" cause me to pause a little. 

 "I personally find it frustrating that they jumped in without really knowing what we were about."  <~~~  Bill wrote

How can we (shack neophytes) become part of the "us" group without "jumping in" as the "they or them" group?  Like you say there is no doctrinal statement to check out before getting "in."  And the truth of the matter is that many of us would prematurely leave if there where.  What is RICH about this site is that Christ is IT.  It is His life that is so evident here that causes people like me to learn and grow and to keep coming back for more.  I inately know that what is being discussed here is true. The life of Christ within me witnesses to it.  So, please don't be frustrated with us/them; we are trying to find our way too, after many many many years of IC crap.  We are in DE-TOX.  It takes time

Grace to you.  Dave



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Dave those are some good thoughts. I think various christians are led to the site in some way, for some reason and for some purpose.[God is dealing with that..] We never know were they are really and truly, but can only see sign posts of words and attitudes that once ate our lunches! It is great learning ground when someone comes in to "oppose"..I always learn a great deal about were I came from and what the truth actually is.

      

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I remember the process of disillusionment that was taking place in me when I first found the shack/ I don't remember how I got here, though!!

Jim had just started the forum as part of the shovel site and I was so worried about saying the wrong thing that would give me away as being totally ignorant of God!  But I jumped in anyway and said something that revealed that I truly was ignorant of His life and grace in me.  Jim simply re-encouraged me in the truth of who I already was and it was like my whole perspective changed in one flash of insight. All he told me was there was nothing wrong with me!  How's that for life filled simplicity?  Anyway, I haven't been anything but blessed by being a member since.

The longer I stick around and watch the give and take of all of the people here, the easier it is to spot the fake life or the subsitute that tries to hone in on HIM!  It's kind of fun now, but in times past I'D feel uncomfortable with the way things would progress.  I guess because I was worried about offending or being offended. I was worried about causing trouble and being rejected or corrected.  But,,it's all good, as they say. 

Jim is absolutely the coolest guy in that he owns the site, perse, but I can tell he's set it up to minister Christ alone!  He knows that Christ will be ministered, however that plays out, without a whole lot of interjection into things on his part.  That is so solid!  There's no need on his part to "protect' anything to any great degree because he knows that the Spirit in each of us is the "force of life" behind all that happens.  These are my takes on it, anyway.  I'm sure there's lots of concerns of Jim's and Sherri's that I don't know about in running this site, but the fruit of it is the proof of the value and the life that it promotes. 

 



      

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Thanks Adam.  Appreciate your words and thoughts.

      

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Connie, very encouraging--Thank You!  I certainly can identify with MUCH of your early experience.  Thanks for that!

Dave



      

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Posted: Mar-19-08 at 12:14pm | IP Logged  

Connie!

      

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dave,

Not exactly what I was talking about. I'm expressing a frustration that comes up at times for me here. Sherri has pretty much spelled it out in her #1 above. This is my "nice" way of voicing it. Nobody has flipped my "off the top rope" switch recently. At those times, I feel a lot like Bill Bixby as Bruce Banner in the Hulk tv-series, "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!" I always imagine it as if people are scrambling for cover as I lay waste to conversations as a large, mutated, green, typing monster. ("HULK SMASH!!") It's probably a little more tame than that. 

Anyways, for people trying to figure out what each of us feels or believes (#2 above), that doesn't garner the same response as those who think they know better than us, who discount us and relegate us to a lower-class of existence. I don't know about anyone else, but if I "go off", it is because I have had enough of reading some tripe by someone I perceive as not interested in expressing anything but the same old rat race we have been freed from.

I have no problem with detox. And I don't expect everyone to understand me at first post.



      

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Bill,

My appoligies, sir

1.  sometimes they DO know what we are about and from their observation of us they conclude that we are still yet 'lacking' or are 'malfunctioning' and want to come in and be our 'fixer'.  <~~  Sherri

My purpose for being here is to be fixed, not to be a fixer.  As for my wife and I, we looking for kindness and understanding and genuine fellowship with God's people after being roughed up in various religious systems.  We are newly out (4 months) of the IC.  We sensed God's call to come out of it all, and the journey has been progressively eye opening.  Perhaps the "us" and "them" language brought back some not so good thoughts.

Grace to you and thanks for your service--It's appreciated!

Dave


 



      

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the most wonderful thing is that there is NO us and them in the BODY of LIFE!  and we don't really need to be 'fixed'.  we have just been convinced from lots of religious abuse over the years and just human life engrainings, that we need to be 'fixed'.  we never needed to be 'fixed' anyway.  we were DEAD.  we needed LIFE.  and jesus christ took care of that.  we are miracles.  and we don't need 'fixed'.  we are complete in him and he is everything we need concerning godliness, life, etc.  

there is no separation.  we are unified together as one  in the one who has made us thus. 

physical separation, emotional separation ... we all know what that is.  but in the reality of who we really are and who he has made us, we are all 'we' ... us is all 'us' ... no them, no they in the body, as tho' we are divided from the true body.

i don't know if that makes any sense.  i have one foot out the door to go to the store, but ... that was where my thoughts went for now.  i will think on this some more. 

enjoying the posts and the heart in them VERY MUCH!!  i love reading about your experiences and your hearts and your thoughts. 




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Dave

      

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The clarity of thought is refreshing.  Thanks all! 

      

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I've been a lurker for maybe 2 years or so, mostly looking at Jim's heiroglyphic writings. (come on, you know that was funny!) Anywho, :) One day a few weeks ago I for the first time started to look at the shovel shack message board and the thing that I noticed and commented on to my wife was, "Wow, this is one of the first places I have been to where people actually struggle through issues together and not just argue, or tell the person to leave." And the fact that there is no attempt to give the same old pat answers for issues, like "you need to pray more, 30 minutes of personal devo's in the morning will do wonders, well, if you went to church you might get the help you need, etc." The program, if you will, is always presented as a person, who we already have as much of as we can ever have.

One of the other things that I notice is that anyone who has read any of my posts here will notice that I tend to try to explain in detail what I am thinking, which tends to ramble, and also that I always try to quote scripture. On the other hand, I see that a lot of those who have been here a while don't seem to quote much scripture at all, and yet the post is full of the Word, Jesus himself. That's so cool I think. I know I have found a home here and look forward to seeing the riches of Christ being dispensed for us all to live in his land.

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Ron!!

      

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Quote:
I've been a lurker for maybe 2 years or so, mostly looking at Jim's heiroglyphic writings. (come on, you know that was funny!)


Okay, you're funny! 

I really value what you have said about the Shovel Shack, it is also what I see. :)

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gregoryfl wrote:

One of the other things that I notice is that anyone who has read any of my posts here will notice that I tend to try to explain in detail what I am thinking, which tends to ramble, and also that I always try to quote scripture.


Ron,
I don't think you ramble and I do appreciate the stories from the Scriptures that help me understand the life of Christ better. Keep them coming.

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Ron...

Thanks for taking the time to share your heart with us. I appreciate and look forward to hearing more from you in the future.  Your words make me trust and know you are a secure, confident child of God.

I'm glad you want to stay here.

And that hierglyphics comment was funny!  At some point, though, all the words will come together and the truth shines forth.  It takes a little longer for me to process stuff these days.



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bill ... so should we call you the mighty green hulk now?     

i hear your frustration. 

what i am about to share is in no way implying that is how i am interpreting where YOU are coming from .... not at all.  just my own personal experience ...

when these things happen and i feel the family being 'accused' either outright or suggestively or however,  i get overwhelmed by some desire to be protective of 'the family', ya know?  does that have to be a 'bad' or 'wrong' thing?  even withIN the family, there is a desire to protect and reconcile, etc.  when someone in the family is being bound by the law they tout, i tend to want to 'reason' with or about their 'reasoning' ... ya know, with the reasoning that comes from the life of god and not from the world/religion. 

and you are so right ... it often times becomes quite apparent that either 'hearing' is not happening ... or is being 'resisted' at all cost. 

anyway ... not to digress, but ... i love your heart here bill!  you are loved and appreciated more than you probably realize!  just here to remind you.




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Thank you luvin and Jim, Connie, and Tim,
love overflowing, no thought for the rim,
spilling on the table, knowing none of us are able
to live this life, only he who is ever stable.




      

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 Don't know exaclt why but that little "diddy" reminded me of the poems Adam Sandler wrote in the movie Mr Deeds.

Edited by luvin on Mar-20-08 at 7:12pm


      

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Lol, never seen that one.



      

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  Bill,

     There are times when things really speak and clarify.  What you said about the "old rat race that we were freed from" struck me as vividly as your most recent blog on WTD.  Many of the things that I have heard being said specifically through "one" have come across as "old dead things."  It's in the mind, the mind of rest where I have come to know the most real sense of peace and freedom in life.  Really, it's become as simple as you shared so well, of knowing, really knowing how far he has removed those "sins", or the consciousness of them.  There is always that "something" when you are made aware of your "sins" that attempt to keep you seperated from the Him.   Him, this One who has done everything  in His utmost love for you to bring you into the awareness of your connection with Him, His pleasure with you, all because of HIM.  For me the insights that continually bring HIM into view, are the ones that I appreciate so much.  To know you are loved, to be loved, to know that "sin" is not the every-annoying issue that "you've" had to deal with your entire life,  brings me to a place of such adoration toward Him, that I am in wonder and awe of a such a great salvation, such a wonderful Christ/Savior. 

     LIGHT as a feather is all I can think of to describe the unburdensome toil of being stuck in that "old rat race."! 

      


      

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Mary,

      

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mary wrote:

  Bill,

     There are times when things really speak and clarify.  What you said about the "old rat race that we were freed from" struck me as vividly as your most recent blog on WTD.  Many of the things that I have heard being said specifically through "one" have come across as "old dead things."  It's in the mind, the mind of rest where I have come to know the most real sense of peace and freedom in life.  Really, it's become as simple as you shared so well, of knowing, really knowing how far he has removed those "sins", or the consciousness of them.  There is always that "something" when you are made aware of your "sins" that attempt to keep you seperated from the Him.   Him, this One who has done everything  in His utmost love for you to bring you into the awareness of your connection with Him, His pleasure with you, all because of HIM.  For me the insights that continually bring HIM into view, are the ones that I appreciate so much.  To know you are loved, to be loved, to know that "sin" is not the every-annoying issue that "you've" had to deal with your entire life,  brings me to a place of such adoration toward Him, that I am in wonder and awe of a such a great salvation, such a wonderful Christ/Savior. 

     LIGHT as a feather is all I can think of to describe the unburdensome toil of being stuck in that "old rat race."! 

      

 

It often seems these "dead things" as Mary so well describes it are the very things that draw our attention back to mans oppinions. The "gospel" I heard was one that told me to focus on sin and make myself accountable to my fellowman, to live up to rules of conduct and to forcefully "push out" love to all. To try to be "better" and "do right" and apply "the spirits wisdom", forgive, grow, be available, and yes even do "what's best" or "loving". While I'm not saying any of those things are wrong are rather necessarily harmful, what I do say is that they aren't God and no gospel that pushes these things in place of the Spirit is from a miraculous God.



      

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brings me to a place of such adoration toward Him, that I am in wonder and awe of a such a great salvation, such a wonderful Christ/Savior. 

Now, in the midst of everything that does appear, THIS is who we are, THIS is the very centre of our being, even hid from our own flesh. This revelation of HIM, whom is ADORATION,dwelling within us.

Thanks Mary, a quote written on our hearts  

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I whole-heartedly agree!!! :)

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mary, adam, dave ... lovely!  so happy that you shared what you did.  :)

ron, have really been enjoying your posts as well.  :)

truly, like mary, i thoroughly enjoy especially when the encouragement is about that life we have and are.  :)


      

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    Shannon,

         That's a great picture of you!


     


      

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mary wrote:

    Shannon,

         That's a great picture of you!


     

I agree with Mary, Shannon.  It's nice to see your face here! 



      

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Dignz wrote:

i was thinking it would be awesome great to hear from each of you about your own first visits here on the shack and where your hearts were at that time, what you were looking for and/or hoping to find, (if anything) and how you felt about being here and what you thought about it AT FIRST.

this would be wonderful fun to reminisce together, because some of us have been here for quite a while and may have forgotten what it was like when we first came along, not sure what we were going to find, etc.

I found the Shack while at a buddy's(2001? 02?). We were talking and I could see the front page on his computer. I asked my friend about it and he rambled on about the Shovelshack only having a part of the truth. We never talked about it again. Anyways, I made a mental note and looked it up myself several weeks later, and much to my delight. The message of 'freedom' was perfect for me because I was weary with the hypocrisy and the duality all around me, incuding myself. It allowed me to stand up for myself and demanded that I stop being a masochist. I also thank God for Jim who would take the time to re-write the many letters in the NT to bring a modern flavour with clear understanding. I'm sure it was a labour of love for him. The Shack to me is all about language. Language forms the way we think. It is a map or model of our thoughts and experiences. Each person comes here with a different 'map' or 'model' of his/her territory, and some will defend their map with their life! I learned here that the 'printed page' is not the territory, and the 'written word' is NOT the experience it describes. It's about real life in real time, right now. It's a fine line and Jims great use of language has helped many of us cross over.

 



      

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BobB wrote:

The Shack to me is all about language. Language forms the way we think. It is a map or model of our thoughts and experiences. Each person comes here with a different 'map' or 'model' of his/her territory, and some will defend their map with their life! I learned here that the 'printed page' is not the territory, and the 'written word' is NOT the experience it describes. It's about real life in real time, right now. It's a fine line and Jims great use of language has helped many of us cross over.


I will add my amen to that!


      

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I found that Shack while surfing around on various "grace webpages" and found a link. At that time I was desperatly seaking any form of grace I could get my hands on. From 1989-2001 I spent all my time and resources activeley searching for confirmation of this grace that I knew HAD to be true if God were indeed true. I gave up my belongings , moved several times, changed jobs and released my grasp hopes for school, marriage and a "normal life" all in an attempt to seek out the real truth.[contrary to what all were telling me] I tried keeping all distractions that I could away while searching for information. For me it was a desperate search, when I found  the Shack it was almost as if I was a delirously thristy man on an island that was lifeless with nobody around, alone and abondoned. Left for dead. When I found my way here I really had lost alot of hope, and had very little energy left if any at all. I had alot of dillusions to work through becuase of the length of time I had to wait to hear these things and I almost didn't believe many things becuase of the fact I was so confused about why I had to seemingly do all the searching and wait so long to find others experiencing what I have been through to some degree. My personal journey was one of finding finally a safe place to unpack all the garbage I had been tortured with for so many precious years of my life and finding people I actually trusted with both common sense , integrity and personal conviction that KNEW God to be a God of grace and wanted to uncover this God. The humiliation I experienced and the sacrafice of all that I had going for me in my early 20's[including a possible career as a pro athelete] made me very bitter that I had to conciously struggle so hard with this grace/law thing.[for I was very concious of this battle moment to moment and was driven almost insane by it] Either way His Life in me is all that Iam and no amount of favour in this world will ever be more valuable than what is written on my heart! I still do not have an "understandable" reason for how I found the Shack and why etc...only that all that I have come to know and will come to know has made me very satisfied, and I have started to come back to the place of knowing what an honor and priveledge it is to be an "alien" in this life!

      

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Adam,

Thanks so much for a peak into your God Journey!  It is so helpful to know a little about the person behind the 2 dimensional picture (at best)and the written words.

As for me, I have just very recently discovered the shack (a couple months) and am learning an ENORMOUS amount of truth that just is next to impossible to dig up elsewhere.  I sometimes hesitate to post, often because I am aware that my 38 years of "kicking around" numerous ICs (7 of them) has left me with many screwed up notions about Abba.  Oh it's not all bad, for sure, but the religious mind, the performance based under current, is not so easy to shake off.  So when I get on your nerves, my new friends, give me a break.  Just keep sharinging the truth--those who have ears to hear will.  I find myself coming back over and over again, even when I am challenged to the core of who I am.  Instead of running away, however, I find myself knowing in my spirit that what I am learning here is just true.

Happy Easter to you all.  HE IS RISEN, and we have been risen with Him.

 

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BOB & ADAM ~ i so enjoyed you sharing your stories of how you came about discovering the shack!    and i am sooo happy that you are HERE!!

i have enjoyed every one's story, for that matter! and am happy that you are here as well!!  :)  thank you so much for sharing your stories and please know that it is never too late to add more stories,    or to even expand on your ones that have already been shared as you remember different things, relate with one another, etc.

i came along to the shack to see more clearly what my hubby was going to do with it and to see what would become of it.  at that point in time, i had suffered some reahhhlly painful to me experiences on other supposed 'gracious' websites.  i guess it was all 'comparative' and 'relative' grace!     i came to the shack with as much fear and trembling of suffering further rejection as i did on the other sites.  we did not really know how the shack would be received, how it would be treated, etc.   i don't think jim was too worried about it really. 

i personally wanted very much just to be able to connect with others who were hurting as much, more or less, or just at all, as i had been from various religious abuses, etc. in various IC experiences, whether or not the pains were inflicted from ignorance or from cruel, brutal self-righteous religious expectations or both.

i realized that even i myself had very much been a part of all that religious abuse and neglect toward others as well.  i was sick to death of all of it!  i could no longer stand the hypocrisies especially from my own self in those religious settings.  i simply could no longer stand any of it!  i was soooo DONE with it all!  i still am.  i feel no desire or curiosity whatsoever even to this day to EVER return to those religious settings.

mostly i could not stand how my hubby and his heart were mishandled time and time again!!     it made me sick to my stomach to be around the religious setting of it all, and the people most responsible for it!    it may have seemed it all bothered me far more than it did him, because he yet continued going far more often and much longer than i did, but even still  ... that was just it.  it DID bother him! it hurt him! it affected him tremendously!  yet he himself did not complain. i did that plenty enough for both of us!  i watched him suffer horribly from how the emotional aches and pains would affect him physically with added migraines, appetite fluctuations, nausea, etc. added neck and back stress, tossing and turning and not being able to sleep or to shut his brain off so he could sleep.  

where i got angry and resentful, he yearned all the more to present christ to them (elders, teachers, pastors, leaders, etc.) hoping they would see with more clarity that which was NOT christ ... that which they had been convinced was christ and insisted on holding onto it all for dear life as they firmly preached and expected their congregation, 'students' and families to do the same, etc.  you know the story.

i can not even remember all the times he has been put on the hot seat by various religious inquisitions,   each time having definite physical affects of suffering on him, as a result of how it affected him emotionally internally, etc.  it never stopped him.  he would stay as long as they would 'allow' him.   

where was i going with this?  i dunno.  i digress and get lost!    keep in mind, this is all from my own perspective as a wife watching her hubby suffer, ... not from his perspective.  i can not speak for him really.  this is all about how it affected me.  (don't you know by now i pretty much make EVERYthing about me!?)    

anyway ... i appreciate that the shack is pretty much a 'come as you please' and/or 'come when you please' kind of place.  :)  i love that christ is what we are really all about and how he is our connection together in him, because of him, etc.

i love how he is expressed as uniquely as each individual here is unique.   (not quite sure if i worded that the best way, but hope you get what i mean)    

okay, it is late for me again and i have wahhhndered in my focus and clarity.  in fact, i think it all retired a couple of hours ago without me!   

  nighty nighty z-z-z-z-zzzzzzz


      

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!!

      

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Thank you for opening your heart to us Sherri!  You got a super special husband there, and I am very grateful that he cared enough about God's kids to keep on keeping on with the Christ message.  You all have givenand given and it is being returned in the fruit of souls accepting the truth being shared here!

Adam, I loved what you shared!  We ended up here at about the same time and you are my brother and someday we're going to meet!

Thank you DaveL for being so open and giving in your journey.  It's nice when someone joins in to just share and chill.  It's so refreshing!



      

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Adam, Dave, Sherri:


Thank you all for sharing! Each post spoke volumes to me.

Love,

P.S. I just saw Connie and Mary where you noticed my "mug".  Thanks.  The longer I'm on the Shack the more I feel like you are all part of my family (as you all know you are - IN CHRIST) and the more I want to be known better by you.



Edited by ShannonC on Mar-25-08 at 9:32am


      

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[QUOTE=luvin]Either way His Life in me is all that Iam and no amount of favour in this world will ever be more valuable than what is written on my heart! ......./QUOTE]

Adam:

Wow!



      

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!!!

      

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luvin wrote:
A huge learning experience I had while in college in the early 90's was when I was in the school parking lot and got locked out of my car. Me and a friend walked across the street to find that there was a Mormom Temple with a full staff there. I was ushered right into one of the elders office and actually [but oddly to me at the time] felt quite comfortable. The elder then proceeded to go out of his way to help me and make sure I got the help I needed. During this small event in my life, I felt all the same feelings I would feel whenever a christian ministry or christian bro or sis would help me out. THIS WORRIED ME! How could "they" have the love of God? They weren't in the "truth" so how could that be????Hmmmmm...think God was at work? I think so. Oddly enough, I thought I had all things figured out THEN...lol yeah...not exactly!

This sounds like JW's too.  They are the only ones, "in the truth" as they put it.  They like to quote,

"By this all people will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." 
It's amazing what people will do to get you interested in their way of life/thinking.  However, if the motive is selfish, it's sin, no matter how noble. 


      

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frmhnyb2bttrfly

 

Now, at least to me..it could be any group..it really doesn't matter!

 

Welcome!



      

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Adam,

your last post made me wonder about "groups".....could it be that our salvation can only be fully appreciated and realized within in a one on one, individualized experience?  And that the church is comprised of these individuals who've relied on no one but the Lord himself?  And until such time as these individuals make that trek alone for a season, then there's no corporate "display" available? 

Boy those thoughts came in fast on the heels of your one statement;"Now, at least to me..it could be any group..it really doesn't matter!"

anyway....



      

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Jeez Connie,

That actually might make a great whole seperate New Topic if I understand you correclty. It is a really interesting subject for sure.



      

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"During this small event in my life, I felt all the same feelings I would feel whenever a christian ministry or christian bro or sis would help me out. THIS WORRIED ME! How could "they" have the love of God? They weren't in the "truth" so how could that be???"

this stimulated some thought, along with connie's and butterfly's posts:  here goes ...

in a 'world' where not everyone treats us so 'nice' or 'kindly', it always sticks out like a sore thumb when somebody DOES or IS nice and/or kind to us.  and maybe it is not always about that person and their being kind to us, and figuring out what their motive is or was.  maybe it is really all about god and his kindness and being reminded that it exists.  let's face it, some days we find ourselves really wondering, don't we?  there seems to be less and less of it all the time.

he can show us kindness and generosity and provide help for us through any thing and any one any time.  sometimes it comes from the most unexpected places and people, and sometimes it comes as no big surprise, and sometimes it comes from 'religious' do gooders with ulterior motives and/or a lot of 'fear' if they don't.  and sometimes ... it just doesn't seem to come along at all ... until .... it does. 

just thinkin' ...




      

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I REALLY liked that Dignz.

      

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