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Well I thought I had heard it all until yesterday. While in lenghly conversation with a brother, it comes out that he is struggling with pornography. To be accountable, he has allowed his Pastor access into his computer data base daily to see if he has 'cheated' and gone to various websites. I have insisted to him that freedom in Christ is alive and real but he continues to negotiate with me for some sort of agreement in what he's doing to himself. At this point I've resolved to remain silent until further notice.

While reflecting on the issue a little later I was reminded of our Canadian Government.  It's the idea that the Government acts as 'Big Brother' to us in hopes that they can sell us on a future that includes health care and them. Namely taking money from us and promising some form of handout or benefit when we're old or sick. At least thats how it works in Canada. The Government is always the winner in this particular transaction unless your super wealthy. Every person in Canada is expected to anti-up their accounting books if asked by Revenue Canada to do so. It's simply commerce. Most Canadians do so willingly because they believe it to be Law, and the Government insinuates punishment for 'failing to file'. Funny how that same brother gives himself permission to avoid 'filing' returns and claiming the Canadian Government has no "legal grounds" for demanding income tax.  He'd also willingly hand over his computer to a man he hardly knows in hopes of 'compliance' of another Law he fears even more. 



      

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Excellent insight, Bob!

I'm always leery of promises. Here in the states we're getting a whole dump load of them from all the candidates. Like you say, it's simply commerce! It's funny (in a sad way) how long it takes us to recognize the commerce of religion. But that freedom stuff is just too scary to trust in real life, ain't it?  

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Oh but we ARE free indeed!

      

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So Bob, what comes to mind about the situation you spoke of is that if this brother "cheats" and visits a porn site, the Pastor will end up viewing it also!  And how's that going to help them both to not view such "evil", "vile" stuff?  They'll both be viewing it together in a sense.  Oh that helps things along, doesn't it?


      

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One of the "sighs of relief" that I could take after leaving the ic was that I didn't have to hear about sex all the time.  From the sect I was in, it seems that there was an inappropriate interest in the personal lives of others.... a type of mental voyerism, which depending on degree, can seem to border on perversion in and of itself.

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We had a local XXX Video store open in town and it's best advertising was a group of evangelicals out front picketing. That store has been there ever since.  Christianity definately has 'issues' on the sexual front. It's really almost a comedy. 

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You're not just whistling Dixie there! The viewing of anything as sin or permissible (the other side of the same coin) carries a demand for justification.

      

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BobB (or anyone else),

What if this particular brother is just doing the best he thinks he can, and truly wants to get away from viewing porn? It's easy for us to wag our fingers at religion, but does that help this brother? What do we say, then?; "You're free in Christ, brother. Go your way."? Did that help him with his porn problem?

I've come to realize (through the brother & sisters here), that I am free in Christ, but I also have struggles with various things. Telling myself "You're free in Christ" simply doesn't seem to help me many times.

Are my problems (& the brother's in question), simply a "flesh" issue that is to be viewed as part of the old creation that has been put to death? Seems like there's more to it than that.

Just thinking out loud here...... Any thoughts on this?

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_Jason_ wrote:
BobB (or anyone else),


Are my problems (& the brother's in question), simply a "flesh" issue that is to be viewed as part of the old creation that has been put to death? Seems like there's more to it than that.

Just thinking out loud here...... Any thoughts on this?

Jason


Hi Jason,
 while not trying to sound trite,the answer to your question is a simple yes.but to put it on an even different plane,it is an identity issue not a behavior issue.

  romans 6:11 says...In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
to "count ourselves dead" is to take a literal accounting of an accomplished fact. we don't have to  to wish,hope pray we might be dead but can take account that we ARE dead.
ie 2+2 =4 it will never be 5.we can also say "we are dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus".to count it as such is to see it can be no other way.

   watchman nee puts it much better than i could in his book "the Normal Christian Life"two chapters especialy address the "knowing we are dead" and "reckoning (counting) ourselves to be dead".he puts it much better than i could so here are the links to the two chapters if anyone wants to take a look.knowing  reckoning
 when we are able to identify with Christs death and ressurection "flesh" and sin rightfully no longer has a hold on us.the lingering remnants of sin that sometimes seem to pop up are just a shadow of the past.they no longer have any right in our lives.kind of like a chicken with it's head cut off.there still are neurons firing that can make its body still active,for a time but it is still not
not only merely dead, it's really most sincerely dead.hope this helps.



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A problem remains a problem whilst it is identified as a problem.

Adam had a problem, one of nakedness, but whom identified it as a problem.

To identify a "problem" merely empowers it, i.e it "lives" and therefore is effectual in many different forms, one of which is anxiety.

My expectations of christianity suffered a severe blow when I expected ALL problems to go "poof" and dissappear.They didn't.

Until the gospel within revealed that not only had my expectations been crucified, but the identity of "problems" were also crucified.

We tend to fear the gospel within ourselves, it is just so liberating,  just TOO liberating,scary, prefering the gospel of a man, whom can only identify a problem as a problem, it's just his nature.

What shall we say then, well, ogle away, and if it's not a problem, strangely,you may begin to see that you're only ogling at an image and you may just discover the REAL person within that image, whom is neither male nor female. Why be anxious over images, unless images are your reality,as they became to the First Adam.

The Last Adam is here.

 

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Dave S wrote:

Until the gospel within revealed that not only had my expectations been crucified, but the identity of "problems" were also crucified.

We tend to fear the gospel within ourselves, it is just so liberating,  just TOO liberating,scary, prefering the gospel of a man, whom can only identify a problem as a problem, it's just his nature.


 



 this is the short version of what i was trying to say


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Thanks for the question Jason and I appreciated the answers just as much (McDave and DaveS).

      

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Excellant questions Jason.  I've asked the same thing many times and still get confused.  The answers here helped also from the legalist point of view in my head.

  I would like to know, to help me more, what exactly is licensenous, licenstious? (not sure how its spelled) but when does that come into play? Seems we lean more in that direction when speaking of freedom, in my head anyway. Hence my need for the definition. 

Also, whats between legalism and license? Freedom? If so, can that area be defined other than, or more detailed I should say, then freedom of Christ? 



      

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Also, whats between legalism and license?

Whats between a pharisee and an atheist? Merely thoughts, and differing opinions.

But between freedom and the pharisee/ atheist thought process there is a cross.

Just as there is a cross between freedom and legalism/liscence

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_Jason_ wrote:

What if this particular brother is just doing the best he thinks he can, and truly wants to get away from viewing porn? It's easy for us to wag our fingers at religion, but does that help this brother? What do we say, then?; "You're free in Christ, brother. Go your way."? Did that help him with his porn problem?


Hello Jason!

The brother probably does want to get away from viewing porn, though I suspect it's one of those love-hate situations. And rather than reflecting finger-wagging in any of the comments, I think the meaning has way more to do with an outright denouncement of a system that promotes a fleshly means of casting out flesh. Such a means only reinforces the problems that would be seen for what they are in the face of life and reality in Christ.

Fleshly religion has only perverted the way we view some things so that it can easily seem as if a pastor who helps a brother by checking up on his internet activities is somehow "bearing his burden" rather than making his load heavier. Conversely, it can also appear that one who sits with him and insists that the life of Christ in him is the only real way to break him free from his "trespasses" might be viewed as giving him some kind of worthless mantra.

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
(Galatians 6:1-3 NASB)

I think the fleshly religious mind has twisted the meaning of "a spirit of gentleness" so that a gentle tone of voice seems to fit the bill. Consider how those who think they have their act together (thinking they are something when they are nothing) have learned to gently add heavy burdens upon those who are struggling by using a Bible passage as their authority. We who have the spirit (are spiritual) cannot afford to use the flesh in an attempt to help another person who struggles with the flesh because it can only produce more of its kind. Bearing one another's burdens is not found in giving each other more burdens (laws, rules, accountability) but in restoring one another from the mindset of the flesh.

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rickh wrote:

I would like to know, to help me more, what exactly is licensenous, licenstious? (not sure how its spelled) but when does that come into play? Seems we lean more in that direction when speaking of freedom, in my head anyway. Hence my need for the definition. 

Also, whats between legalism and license? Freedom? If so, can that area be defined other than, or more detailed I should say, then freedom of Christ?

Hey Ricky! :)

That's licentiousness.  And once again, we've been raised according to the definitions of the religious mind in relation to this word, especially in how it has been pitted against legalism. In truth, one is merely the flip side of the other. That's right, licentiousness is related to legalism. License can only exist within a framework of law, it is meaningless outside of its boundaries. Why do you need a license? To conform to some kind of legality, correct? Licentiousness, then, is the breaking of or the attempt to get around the legality in question. There is no middle ground between legalism and license, for one hangs upon the other. True freedom is found in another reality, another framework, a place where law is not. Guess where? Yep, Christ ... his life.

Jesus spoke of licentious ones, although it usually seems to get overlooked that he was speaking to the religious law men, for they were the ones breaking their own rules but condemning others for doing what they did. Ironic, eh? :)

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Fleshly religion has only perverted the way we view some things so that it can easily seem as if a pastor who helps a brother by checking up on his internet activities is somehow "bearing his burden" rather than making his load heavier. Conversely, it can also appear that one who sits with him and insists that the life of Christ in him is the only real way to break him free from his "trespasses" might be viewed as giving him some kind of worthless mantra.

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
(Galatians 6:1-3 NASB)


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Jim:

Good stuff.  You have really put to words the things in my heart.  It is so funny, I have had several people in my life give me a new prespective on things lately...things that I've looked at a certain way for so long and then a different take...and "oh, I've never thought of it like that."  In this case, what you've just said, I knew in my spirit but just did not know how to say it.  I particulary like your comment I reprinted above.  Wow, I have been there before - both as the person being "ministered" to -as well as the one doing the "ministering".  All I can say is formulas do nothing but produce death, flesh is flesh.  It definitely makes the load heavier. 



      

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Freedom from sin is not freedom to sin by viewing porn. Laws not only prohibit behavior, they can also be used to permit behavior. Licentiousness is not freedom from sin, it is a viewpoint from the law of sin that permits sinning instead of prohibiting it.







      

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What I truly am trying to figure out to a greater degree is this:

How does the FACT that that which is doing this (whatever the situation might be) is NOT US play into how we respond to it and how that should take care of it.  (?)   If we saw another person doing something that would be judged as "wrong", I think most here are at a place where we would not think about it, judge that person, etc.  So, how is it that our reaction to this is different when it is from an entity that we at times for some reason identify with, but also, as in the above example, TRULY IS NOT US EITHER? 

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Okay, I'm gonna pretend to understand and ask the same question in a month?

So what DOES a brother DO then if he wants to stop doing something?

Laws permit behavior, laws prohibit behavior.  So what the hell do we do if stuck in a behavior we don't want to be in?

The reverse psychology thing (dont think of a smiley face) doesn't always work.

Thanks for the spelling clarification Jimmy.

If you've seen the movie La Chocolatte, the town leader forbade anyone to eat the delicious seductive chocolates of a new, sexy single mom who breezed into town and opened up a shop.

People ate the candy anyway, usually on the sly and were loving it.  The leader was going crazy saying how evil and sinful it was to eat this candy.  Until one night he couldn't take it anymore and broke into the shop and ate himself into a coma. The people found him passed out in the display window covered in chocolate.

So whats my point you ask? I'm glad you asked.  Actually more of a question.  The moral of the story is obvious.  So what do we say then, a little porn is ok? or a few drugs here and there are ok? or a little lying and cheating is ok?  do we do a little of things like this and not refrain to keep us from going over the top and ending up in a display window of over indulgence?

Im not arguing here, Im really trying to understand as usual.  Here it is. 

Then again, maybe I should ask, how do I let Christ govern my behavior?



      

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This brings to mind pauls letter to ??? when he said, "All things are lawful for me but not all things are beneficial.....".   So the question begs, what are we prepared to live with?  whats our motive or payoff? is it useful to us? are there repercussions? what do we feel good about? what is a benefit to us?

All I can say is that what was valid and true for me today may be a heap of ashes tomorrow. It's only my confidence and safety in Christ that allows me to feel comfortable in making any decisions, period.

 



      

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Then again, maybe I should ask, how do I let Christ govern my behavior?

Why would Christ want to govern your behaviour? The Pharisees are the government of behaviour and still fall sadly short.

Christ is the government of freedom.

Where behaviour is the crux, the government of freedom must tarry awhile

 

 

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"All things are lawful for me but not all things are beneficial.....". 

 

Interesting isn't it- that there is no-thing that is unlawful. Condemnation has been removed, it is all judged. Awesome!  

 

Things like porno or alchoholism/drug addictions or out of control anger or fill in the blank_____, take up space. They are garbage that simply takes up space....  

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Rest and Trust wrote:

 

 

"All things are lawful for me but not all things are beneficial.....". 

 

Interesting isn't it- that there is no-thing that is unlawful. Condemnation has been removed, it is all judged. Awesome!  

 

Things like porno or alchoholism/drug addictions or out of control anger or fill in the blank_____, take up space. They are garbage that simply takes up space....  

I like the garbage analogy Joe.  Or let's say it's manure, and manure can provide quite a nutritious soil for growing good stuff.



      

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Connie

great insight....and a few tons of pressed garbage give us a barrel of oil. God does confound our reasonings.

 



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Dave S wrote:

Then again, maybe I should ask, how do I let Christ govern my behavior?

Why would Christ want to govern your behaviour? The Pharisees are the government of behaviour and still fall sadly short.

Christ is the government of freedom.

Where behaviour is the crux, the government of freedom must tarry awhile

 

 

Dave, this is absolutely profound and I didn't quite see the first time I read it.  Christ governs freedom which makes it true freedom indeed.  How can we fear in making our choices when He's the Lord of the whole thing?  Wow, this makes freedom even more clear and joyful.  Wow....the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has no substance to claim for itself.  There's only Christ...freedom...light...choice....

I don't know if this is exactly in context, but I was watching a movie, (won't say which one)  and the main character claims, "I don't want to make a mistake in doing this" to another person.  And the other person says something like..."Mistakes?  There are no mistakes.  You either do something or you don't"  And it went off like a bell in me.  You either do something or you don't.  If in the future, you choose to quit doing something you're now doing does that mean what you were doing before was so wrong?  You just chose to do something differently today for other motivations or reasons that didn't weigh in in times past.  You live and you learn.  And it is about YOU and the journey you're making to discover who you are.  And He's not sitting there judging and clicking his tongue and wondering when you're going to "wake up", but He's there, part of the process or the living or whatever.  Jesus is totally the coolest person to know, isn't he?



      

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Yes, yes, we almost think the decisions we make are eternal and that we will carry them into the eternals.

When freedom reigns it is eternal, so there is actually no big deal on decision making.

What can seperate us from the Love of God 

 

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These are some really cool considerations and thoughts you guys!

      

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Dave S wrote:

Yes, yes, we almost think the decisions we make are eternal and that we will carry them into the eternals.

When freedom reigns it is eternal, so there is actually no big deal on decision making.

What can seperate us from the Love of God 

 

 

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   Funny, Dave wanted to recommend that as a Shack quote, too, Connie!


      

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I know a man who lives in America,last year his wife passed on after a considerable number of years of marriage.

Two days later he was back at his business,an amazingly success business. He took a day off to bury the body of his wife.

How? because his marriage was not eternal and so he could free his wife to be IN the eternals and he was packing his bags to join her. He was asked how long will it take to pack.

He said, I don't know, I've been packing since I discovered the eternal.

How was his business so incredibly successful? Because I'm free from it, from success or failure. I just make decisions.

I love him, he is the most humble successful business man I ever came across,not arrogant, but dosn't suffer fools.

Only on that one occassion did he speak of his love for the eternal. That will never be taken away. Enjoy the eternal you in the midst of the temporal. Walk in the shadows,but fear nothing.

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O.K, so I cocked that up. Jim, can you reformat?

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dAVE ABSOLUTELY NEAT BROTHER. wE LOVE U TOO.

      

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Rich thoughts...

The beauty of the absence of condemnation for the things that are done is that we are free to enjoy the desires that are so freely poured into us (in the form of thought and emotion). We are free to trust our thoughts. We are free to make decisions. We can express emotions freely. It is awesome to be free from condemnation.  

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Posted: Feb-06-08 at 11:44am | IP Logged  

that's a HUGE and good point Joe!

I think some of us in our I.C. recovery tend to think certain emotions are bad and wrong and others are good..this thinking comes from the idea there IS condemnation and that we SHOULD be judging our emotions and thoughts in the first place to see if we are being "holy",good intending,riteous etc.. 



      

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Dave S wrote:

O.K, so I cocked that up. Jim, can you reformat?



Hello, my dear Dave! :)  What is cocked up ... the deleted post?   


      

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As I read some of your posts, I feel I am back in God's kindergarden.  I have been in Christ for more than 30 years, thought I understood, but am aware of needing to re-think so much of what I "knew to be true!" 

The first and biggest step towards real freedom and truth has been exiting the IC.  It seems while inside, the grip of the religious mind chokes out much hope of the message of GENUINE freedom, although grace and freedom are often the topic.

Thanks to you all for your insight--I thank God for you!

Dave



      

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   Dave,

       Personally, I feel it's real nice to have had you come and join us.


Edited by mary on Feb-06-08 at 7:30pm


      

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Ditto! :)

      

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Glad you took the red pill Dave.

Folks, this is what I tried to post yesterday.

 

Our Greatest Fear

it is our light not our darkness that most frightens us

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.

Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond
measure.

It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us.

We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous,
talented and fabulous?

Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.
Your p
laying small does not serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other
people won't feel insecure around you.

We were bom to make manifest the glory of
God that is within us.

It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone.

And as we let our own light shine,
we unconsciously give other people
permission to do the same.

As we are liberated from our own fear,
Our presence automatically liberates others.

-Marianne Williamson

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Your kindness is so very encouraging!  Thanks all

      

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Dave S,

Really appreciated what you posted above.  Sooo true.  There are many aspects to the egoic mind.... one of those is that "lesser is more virtuous".  I guess I shy away from making statements like that because of being afraid that then it will be interpreted that I am promoting the "opposite that might be outside of Being" as well.  Guess there is both sides, but there is great encouragement for being open to be free to dream Dreams that are "in and connected" to who we are...  As it was in Creation.... so it is with Spirit now... in us.  

Joyce  



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RickH,

Seems like no one responded to your questions, and they are good ones. In essence you asked, how do we get free of something that has hold of us, when we want to let it go but can't get free?

The problem is, the problem is not the problem.  In other words, the thing we define a problem really is not the issue, but it is a driven by a deeper issue.  ONe of the reasons most current ways of "fixing" problems does not work is becuase no one is dealing with the real root issues that the problem springs from.  Do we want to keep sweeping up spider webs, or kill the spider?  Do we want to keep sweeping up mouse crap, or kill the mouse?

Our behavior, no matter what is it, is always driven by the unbelief that our needs are NOT met.  We long to have those needs met OUR way.  THe more we try to satisfy those needs with the things of this world, the more we fallinto the things of this world.  I recently succumbed to the temptation to smoke.  The pressures of life got to be more than I was willing to trust the Lord with, and I reached into my flesh bag of tricks and pulled out cigarettes.  That thing got hold of me with a vengeance.  My flesh is easily addicted to anything and everything.  But I have been playing this game long enough to know that I could not fix the problem.  All I could do was wait upon the Lord and trust Him in it.  I didn;t work hard to quit smoking, I used the time I smoked to turn to Him, and have communion with Him.  It seemed to get worse before it ever got better.  I despaired at times.  I got frustrated, angry, depressed, on and on.  But I kept asking the Lord to deal with the thing that was driving me to the cigarettes.  In my case it was anger.  As the Lord began to expose my anger, adn the roots of it to me, I was already physically addicted to the cigarettes.  He dealt with the anger (which was directed mostly at Him by the way) I was left with this fleshy residual habit.  But rather than worry about it, I left it up to Him to deal with.  Each time I fell into the behaviour I would thank Him that He was coming for the problem when He was ready.  One day I woke up, and just didn;t feel like doing it anymore.  There were other days I did, but they were becoming less and less.  I'm not saying it is totally gone, but I cannot honestly tell you the last time I had a smoke -- it's been several weeks at the minimum. 

The greater issue in every issue is to walk in faith, trusting God to do what we could never do.  And when the problem falls off naturally, we know it was Him doing it - the excellency of the power was of God, not us. 

That is a nutshell version, but does that make some sense?



      

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 Mike, that makes alot of sense.  Thankyou very much.

      

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    Joyce,

       Love it!


      

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Dave S wrote:

I know a man who lives in America,last year his wife passed on after a considerable number of years of marriage.

Two days later he was back at his business,an amazingly success business. He took a day off to bury the body of his wife.

How? because his marriage was not eternal and so he could free his wife to be IN the eternals and he was packing his bags to join her. He was asked how long will it take to pack.

He said, I don't know, I've been packing since I discovered the eternal.

How was his business so incredibly successful? Because I'm free from it, from success or failure. I just make decisions.

I love him, he is the most humble successful business man I ever came across,not arrogant, but dosn't suffer fools.

Only on that one occassion did he speak of his love for the eternal. That will never be taken away. Enjoy the eternal you in the midst of the temporal. Walk in the shadows,but fear nothing.

I love you

Ran across this today. Wow, what simple freedom!



      

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