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realrestisbest
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Hey Shacksters,

Here I am again the posting hog!!!!  I'm at home quite a bit so you might see my name quite often.

I was wondering if anyone has any good recommendations on books that are grace based?  I have read books by Bob George, Steve Mcvey.  And I'm going to read a Jim Vanvonderan book.  I think thats him name

I have to say though that I felt funny about this one  author who talks so much about demonic attack and stuff like that.  I can't remember his name but it just didn't seem right. He talked alot about the freedom in Christ but then he also brought up alot of stuff that almost seemed like witchcraft disguised.  I want to say his name was like Neil something but I'm not totally sure.  I think his book is called bondage breaker or something like that.

Sorry for the rambling!!

Real


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Neil Anderson - bondage breaker or bondage maker?  

      

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  Isn't that the truth!!!!


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I have read "Bondage Breaker" by Neal Anderson and have attended a weekend seminar by him.  I really 'got busy' trying to overcome my bondages...for they were the 'serious' kind (i.e. alcoholism, drugs, sex, etc).  But, to be honest...it only seemed to intensify my STRUGGLE for freedom.  He does point to Christ's work on the cross as the WORK of emancipation, but he also includes the whole 'exercising our free will' (doing OUR part?) teaching.  I ask you...What Christian doesn't want to live freely?...really?

Have you read Jim's articles here at the SHOVEL.NET?  I don't think it gets better that that...and I've read alot of Christian books.  (Including George, McVey, Gillham...I like those guys and MUCH of what they share.)

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RealRest...I'll take over as 'post-hog' for awhile.

I would highly recommend 'How To Quit Church Without Quitting God' by Martin Zender.  He is both funny and insightful and this book helped my wife and I as we left 'the torture chamber'.  He also has a website.

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Cool Graceman I'll check it out.  (I mean the book by Martin Zender).

Yeah,  I have to admit that I only read a little bit of the Neil Anderson Book.  But there was something about it that just didn't seem right.  I think the funny thing about it is that there is no bondage if we are in Christ right??????  Hmmmm so ironically the bondage has  already been broken so no need to fix it!!!!

I have read some of the Shovel Writings and I enjoy them very much so.  However sometimes I feel like they can be really complex at times.  And I don't mean that as an insult, just that I'm still kind of new to my life in Christ so some of the writings God hasn't really revealed it to me yet.

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[QUOTE=graceman]

RealRest...I'll take over as 'post-hog' for awhile.


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Neil T. Anderson...now, talk about turning your freedom into bondage!

The whole idea of his message seemed to suggest that Christ came to free us, but then focused on many ways that we were in bondage and then prescribed bondage to get us out of bondage, and suggested that there were unknown ways we might be held in bondage. He knew the message of freedom that the scriptures share, but he instilled fear with his concept of bondage, bondage to spirits, bondage to the dead flesh, etc. I still have two lists, handcopied from his book into the back of my bible. "I am in Christ, therefore..." and "Since I am in Christ, by the grace of God, I am..."
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...had to go find my bible.

I was wrong, the first list is "Who am I?"
Quote:
  • ...salt of the earth
  • ...light of the world.
  • ...a child of God.
  • ...part of the true vine, a channel of Christ's life.
  • ...Christ's friend.
  • ...chosen and appointed by Christ to bear his fruit.
  • ...a slave of righteousness.
  • ...enslaved to God.
  • ...a son of God; God is spiritually my Father.
  • ...a joint heir with Christ, sharing his inheritance with him.
  • ...a temple - a dwelling place - of God. His spirit and his life dwells in me.
  • ...united to the Lord and am one spirit with him.
  • ...a member of Christ's body.
  • ...a new creation.
  • ...reconciled to God and am a minister of reconciliation.
  • ...a son of God and one in Christ.
  • ...a saint.
  • ...God's workmanship - his handiwork - born anew in Christ to do his work.
  • ...a fellow citizen with the rest of God's family.
  • ...a prisoner of Christ.
  • ...righteous and holy.
  • ...a citizen of heaven, seated in heaven right now.
  • ...hidden with Christ in God.
  • ...an expression of the life of Christ because he is my life.
  • ...chosen of God, hly and dearly loved.
  • ...a son of light and not of darkness.
  • ...a holy partaker of Christ; I share in his life.
  • ...one of God's living stones, being built up in Christ as a spiritual house.
  • ...a member of a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession.
  • ...an enemy of the devil.
  • ...a child of God and I will resemble Christ when he returns.
  • ...born of God, and the evil one - the devil - cannot touch me.
  • ...not the great "I AM" but, by the grace of God, I am what I am.

Amazing how I can read this now and nod my head and say, "Yep!" compared to before when I was desperately reading them trying to convince myself these should be true, but not being able to come to that conclusion based on what I would see in my life.

      

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wow i agree bill,in the past i would look at a list like that and say "whew,i have a long way to go" but now,knowing it was all finished In Christ on the cross i can look at it and say" thanks ,it has been done"
 i wonder  what would happen if the "churches" focused on what we already  have rather than trying to bring the shadow into more focus,what would happen to those who attend there?

      

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Real,

Here is Jim's (the Shovel) book:
Shovel Tales (zipped acrobat document) or
Shovel Tales (web-based at theshovel.net)

      

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Bill,

Thanks for the recommendation. I will check it out.



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Real,

I don't read many books anymore, but when my heart was longing for the message of Grace I found Brenden Manning's books to be very good.  "Ruthless Trust" and "Ragamuffin Gospel" are pretty good.  Brenden has a very awesome way of communicating grace but I still find a little law intertwined.  I really enjoyed "Ruthless Trust"...you should check it out...I think you would like it.

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The Rest of the Gospel by Dan Stone was a book I read a couple of years ago and I really enjoyed it.  My views have changed a bit in the meantime but I think it's worth a read.  I don't like the chapter on the gift of misery though. 

 

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Thanks!!!! 

 

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 but I still find a little law intertwined---

know what ya mean...i know i know we SHOULD be "positive"...but im with ya...it only takes a little bug in my tall fresh glass of milk for me to have the sudden impulse to through it out!!!!

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Click here to read the Book

A freebee, many aspects of which I enjoyed, BUT, DYOD

Love ya,s XXXXXXX

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       Bill, that post from 05 is as encouraging now as it probably was then!  I love it!


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To define what God’s righteousness is, I will give you a definition of it.
Righteousness is a state of consciousness without having a sense of fear, sin,
lack or impending doom in it. Righteousness is a realization of ‘One--ness’:
a harmony of life that begins to be revealed as it is realized consciously,
without having guilt or feelings of shame due to past experiences. You see
beloved, Jesus brought us back to the original status of being: as we were in
the beginning.
Jesus is giving you back your sense of belonging. You truly are the image of
the invisible God expressed as the individual you. It is wonderful!

     and this from the Book Dave S, recommended....  that's come as revelation from before....this is life as He intended!


      

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 There's a few i'ld like to recommend. Written by a minister who "gets it"- Wayne Monbleau.

I 1st heard him in the 80's. He has a call- in radio show called "let's talk about Jesus" & that's how i found out about him.

He's not the best of writers style- wise, (but content- wise he's dead on, or should i say life on :) ) He is completely Christ centered & is an annointed speaker. His messages (which you can get on tape & CD) are incredibly life imparting!! He totally understands & teaches the new covenant.

Some books: "Grace, the essence of God"; "Friendship with God"; "Living in Love" (this book is actually a collection of essays he had written back in the 80's with titles such as "If Jesus was alive today he probably wouldn't be a Christian".)

I attended a retreat of his back in the mid 80's & it was just incredible!! His 'ministry' was instrumental in God bringing me from the darkness into the light.

Some titles of his recorded messages: "Let's get rid of religion"; "Thank God for your weakness"; "The finished work of Christ- past, present & future".

Totally Christ centered/grace centered teaching. For all i know he might even be on this site!! What he teaches is mirrored by what i've seen & read here at the shack.

I believe Jim doesn't want us to post web sites here so i won't post his site, but you can check it out by typing 'loving grace ministries' into your search engine- that should get you their website link.

I encourage everyone to check it out :)



      

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Adopted Son[I believe Jim doesn't want us to post web sites here so i won't post his site, but you can check it out by typing 'loving grace ministries' into your search engine- that should get you their website link.[/quote wrote:


Please feel free to post the link.


Please feel free to post the link.


      

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the shovel wrote:
Adopted Son[I believe Jim doesn't want us to post web sites here so i won't post his site, but you can check it out by typing 'loving grace ministries' into your search engine- that should get you their website link.


Please feel free to post the link.
[/QUOTE wrote:

Cool- thanks bro!

Here's the link : http://www.lovinggrace.org

Cool- thanks bro!

Here's the link : http://www.lovinggrace.org



      

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holy catz!! >^..^<   .......chapter 17 of Ted Kersey's book reads:

Summary

The reality this book contains can be summed up in a few words.
There is only God, nothing else. God divided himself into billions of little
gods, then God created the illusion of a universe, the earth, time and space.
Everything else you see, hear, touch, taste and smell, including your
physical body are illusions you have created by what you think, believe,
and say. You can change anything in your life and your world anytime you
choose just by changing the blueprint in your subconscious mind (heart).
You change the blueprint by changing what you believe in your heart.
You change what you believe by changing what you think and say. 
It's your life experience, create it to your liking, for your enjoyment.
                                          There Is No End!
 
 
...........i feel like Neo in the Matrix when he was first awakened on the ship, the Nebuchadnezzar.  

 



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seriously, i'd appreciate the Shack members' comments on Ted Kersey's book please. 

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At first glance this quote gave me a sense of Gnosticism (what little I know of it, at least). I don't mean to put his point of view in a "Gnosticism box". Years-back I seriously considered the point of view that the quote seems to represent. I have the impression that God holds all things together and that He is somehow the source of how all things operate. When I look at something I do believe that I am actually looking at some "thing". If God took Himself out of anything I believe that it would cease to have whatever form that it has. It would loose its exsistence to the degree that it would possibly become formless, void, darkness, etc.. I guess my point is that God is Spirit and Truth and seeks out those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. On the other hand- temporal, physical things in and of themselves are inanimate objects that are completely reliant on God as their source and/or completley subject to the authority of God. Let me know if this makes any sense to ya?
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Perhaps this man has created his own religion and anyone not beleiving in it is a minister of darkness ? 
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thank you (((Rest and Trust))) and (((Buddy))) for your responses!  

now, i don't profess to fully understanding the above mentioned book; so i can't really say i agree with Kersey. but i kind of relate to what he's saying thru the following scriptures:

John 17:22 - The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one.

Mark 11:23 - For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatsoever he says.

Psalm 37:4 - Delight yourself also in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Romans 7:25 - Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

i don't know what Kersey meant by "little gods", but i do know that we are all parts of the total body of Christ, (who is the head).  as for all else being an illusion, i'm thinking that to mean temporal/terrestrial... or (as in Hebrews 11) by faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

i don't know.. i'm just seeking here. any other comments?

 



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One thing that I am feeling drawn to lately is anything that passes my way with regard to the Body of Christ being ONE.  We are the New Creation (not a bunch of new creationS) ....  One New Man.  One Body.  ("with"...  "in") One Head.  We are more connected than may be even realized.  We 'draw from' and 'give to' each other.  When one hurts, the others sense and feel with that hurt.  It says: "weep with those that weep, and rejoice with those that rejoice".  Not as a law.... a must do....  It springs up from within the body as we relate and "know" we are from the same "dna"...  the same "organISM"....  and that is why an "organIZATION" will never satisfy...  will come to be known as the imposter... and death.  But AS we see Him, we realize we are like Him, for we are ALREADY His body.

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Joyce and Belle,

Many of the things that Kersey had to say and the passages he quoted also resonate with me. Because I also believe that I and Christ and the Father are now one.   However, my anti-religion radar always goes up when someone says that they have found, or God has revealed to them, the truth. I feel this even more so when they seperate any group that disagrees with them into the enemy of God camp.  It does not exactly open up dialogue when you start labeling people that disagree with the apparent contradictions in your published view of the truth.  I am happy for this gentlemen that God has revelaed himself to him through meditation, but God does not touch all people in the same way.  When we try to make the way God has touched us universal to all manking we have made it into a work, and anyone not doing our work is now judged by our standard rather than the standard of Christ.  I like Christ's standard much better because it is so inclusive.

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Juicy stuff.Children eating fruit

      

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Just finished a book titled "The Shack" written bt William P. Young sold by Amazon and Barnes and Noble.  It is fiction but a story that uses the genre of a story to by pass the theological filters that we all have, mostly out of needing to have them to make is feel that we are in the crowd who "gets it!"

The book leaves with you with a God who loves you so incredibly wonderfully that all you can do is trust Him with everything you have. 

Dave



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Wow....... I can't believe how many websites and grace preachers there are now.  Amen!!!  For the longest I only knew about Bob George and Steve Mcvey.

What do you guys think about these ministries

1. The Grace Project
2.  Christ In You Ministries
3.  Rob Rufus????
4.  Peter Wade???

There are so many now that people have directed me to.  But the only one that I have really had a chance to look at a little was the Grace Project.  And Growing in Grace the radio program with Joel Brueseke and Mike Kapler. There have been so many wonderful things that he has taught me at the growing in grace program and graceroots blog. 


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I would highly recommend Lifetime Guarantee by Bill Gillham and his other book called What God Wishes Christians Knew About Christianity. One that I've heard is good but haven't had an opportunity to read yet is Families Where Grace Is in Place. Don't know the author, but you can google it.


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Anyone  here read "The Irresistible Kingdom" by Chip Brogden?

      

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jiggyfly wrote:
Anyone  here read "The Irresistible Kingdom" by Chip Brogden?

 

Someone brought that name up before in another thread but I can't remember what they had shared about it.

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Here is a list of Books I recommend .

The Mystery of God, Christ All And In All by Manfred Haller

Biblical Dyslexia by Charles Wilhelm

The Transcendent Seed Of Abraham by CE Newbold Jr.

The Crucified Ones by CE Newbold Jr.

God' Spiritual House by TA Sparks

The Stewardship Of The Mystery by TA Sparks

Unto Full Stature by DeVern Fromke


      

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Dave S. wrote:

Click here to read the Book

A freebee, many aspects of which I enjoyed, BUT, DYOD

Love ya,s XXXXXXX

Dave,

The link to the "book" no longer seems valid. Can you point me to  a different site to access it?

Fred






      

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Simpleton wrote:
Dave S. wrote:

Click here to read the Book

A freebee, many aspects of which I enjoyed, BUT, DYOD

Love ya,s XXXXXXX

Dave,

The link to the "book" no longer seems valid. Can you point me to  a different site to access it?

Fred




Sorry Fred

Drawing a blank . Didn't keep a copy on file either.

Will keep trying

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Thanks for looking Dave. Maybe it will show up in the next Indianna Jones movie! I'm assuming the book was by Ted Kersey who doesn't seem to have much of a presence on the web now. I have read from writers like Preston Eby, Gary Sigler and so on. Would his writings be along those lines? Or even Walter Lanyon? Just wondering out loud...

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Simpleton wrote:
Thanks for looking Dave. Maybe it will show up in the next Indianna Jones movie! I'm assuming the book was by Ted Kersey who doesn't seem to have much of a presence on the web now. I have read from writers like Preston Eby, Gary Sigler and so on. Would his writings be along those lines? Or even Walter Lanyon? Just wondering out loud...

Fred

I think you make a correct assumption regarding Ted Kersey, simply because it came from tkgospelnetwork, which I can no longer access either.

Having said that, Lanyon's favourite saying appears to be "it is wonderful", but then of course, it is

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Hi.  New here sort of.  A book I just picked up second hand and finished is by Phillip Yancey.  Called, "The Jesus I Never knew".  Kind of a comparison of what he grew up believing about Jesus and what he has since discovered to be true about Jesus.  I found the book to be refreshing in that he didn't try and cover up the sin and truth about himself, very honest.  He also contrasts the absolute demanding sinless nature of God with the absolute grace of God.

 

Loved it.

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Shackmeister
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Posted: Feb-20-10 at 6:24pm | IP Logged  

Hello Chiseler!

Welcome to the Shovel Shack! And thanks for your recommendation. :) I can remember reading something from Phillip Yancey years ago that I really enjoyed.

Jim


      

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Digger
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Posted: Feb-20-10 at 7:10pm | IP Logged  

I am back from "the dead" so to speak.  I was on before for a short time as "metaglypto".  In that book Yancey probes some of the literal interpretations of Jesus sayings from The beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount.

 

What struck me was taking literally Jesus saying "Inasmuch as you have done unto the least of these, you have done unto Me."  His language was much stronger towards us in serving each other, especially the down and outer, than he ever was about tithing or giving to the church.

 

I believe He taught a principle of generosity over tithing, and keep wondering what would happen if we as Christians were as serious about keeping His Word in this manner over the teaching of most churches of "tithing."

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