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mcdave
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Posted: Nov-14-11 at 5:59pm | IP Logged  

Those of you who know me know my ongoing stuggle
with the idea that i wanted to be involved with the
institutional church. not in the sense of connecting
to a building but that i miss the day to day
interaction that always sparked within me the desire
to search for the truth or to contrast the real with
the shadow.
8 weeks ago, i made the leap with an inner
commitment to attend a new church starting in town
for a couple of months. while it is too early to
know if i will continue in the long term,i am
strangely feeling compelled to keep going for now. I
confess i have enjoyed meeting new people and
connecting with a few i know from the past that are
also checking out the new kids in town.
   One the other hand, i find myself strongly
holding back any complete abandonment to drink the
koolade that embodies commitment to an establishment
instead of to the life of Christ that dwells inside
of those that attend the establishment. i'd like to
post my thoughts and bounce my ideas off you guys as
i travel this path.

Edited by mcdave on Nov-14-11 at 5:59pm


      

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the shovel
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Posted: Nov-15-11 at 4:03am | IP Logged  

Hello Dave,

Thanks for keeping us up on this. I totally understand the desire to connect with other believers who live close enough to visit at any given time. I hope you find a brother or two who might be a great encouragement to you in this real life in Christ. :)  Keep us posted.

Jim


      

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Dignz
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Posted: Nov-15-11 at 6:32am | IP Logged  

"i find myself strongly holding back any complete abandonment to drink the koolade that embodies commitment to an establishment
instead of to the life of Christ that dwells inside of those that attend the establishment."<mcdave

i LOVE how you said that!     i think that completely abandoning yourself to the 'establishment' simply is not in your heart to do because you know that is not the Life, heart and mind of GOD.    you know that you are already abandoned to and in the heart, mind and LIFE of GOD HIMself.  you also  know that no religious establishment is ever going to be able to be all that GOD already IS in the New Creation that HE has made you/us.  

that said, i know that you can enjoy in all good conscience simply being the Life that you are wherever you are, wherever you go and with whomever you meet.  we all understand how wonderful it is to meet up with others in the 'Fam' and share in that Life together in each other's presences.    you know our hearts are with you. 

i think it is wonderful that you are more aware of the Life of Christ that dwells in those who are at the establishment as opposed to being more concerned about being inducted and inducting others into the establishment for the sake of being 'religiously established in a religious establishment' to prove one's self to GOD and others, and to gain approval and acceptance of GOD and others, if you know what i mean. 
  oh boy, that was a mouthful and i don't even know if that wording made any sense???       
 
i have no doubt that you just may be a breath of fresh air to someone there, and someone there may be a breath of fresh air to and for and with you as well.     time will tell, eh? 

love hearing from you! 


      

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rickh
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Posted: Nov-17-11 at 6:30pm | IP Logged  

Dave I can totally relate. I've been avoiding going to a church building for years but have been very tempted to only because of the lack of sharing there seems to be in a busy everyday life. Aside from visiting Jim and Sherry once or twice a year , I don't connect with anyone on a regular basis. It goes against my very grain to even consider going to church after all the experiences I've had, however I do think about doing it every now and then.

That said, as I was reading your post and along with what Sherry said, I thought who's to say you may not find a like minded individual or two in the very same building with the same considerations. We find them outside of the church here and there. The possibility of a "stray cat" wandering into a church may be feasable.

Good luck. And just like walking out of the 'church' wouldn't change your beliefs, walking into one won't either.

      

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the shovel
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Posted: Nov-17-11 at 7:44pm | IP Logged  

Quote:
And just like walking out of the 'church' wouldn't change your beliefs, walking into one won't either.


I like this! :)

Jim


      

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dlinn94
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Posted: Nov-18-11 at 2:16pm | IP Logged  

OK, I am back after being away for a very long time.  I can't remember how long it's been, but hi to all my"old" friends and hi to the many new ones!

You have all, in the past, made a huge impact on me, often making me feel spiritually retarded.  My fault, not yours   Although I stopped attending the IC in Nov 2007, I still had the stench of religion all over me.  I wanted to think freely but was still looking for the right recipe to make God happy with me. 

My mindset when I left the IC was "NEVER again will I subject myself and my family to that again."  Ironically, as time went on, my wife and I craved genuine fellowship, not religious fellowship, real, no agenda type, fellowship.  We tried everything.  Then stumbled on a church web site that caught my interest, Richmond Grace Fellowship.  As I checked out their web site, I felt drawn in a little, so I emailed the pastor, telling him about some of my crappy experiences with the IC.  He wrote back saying, "sounds like you are sick of religion."  He said he was too.  He never tried to lure me in; but instead told me that I am loved and that God will never forse, con, or trick me, but will draw and woo me to where He wants me, whether in a church setting or not in a church setting.

To make my long story readable (short), we were drawn to that and have never looked back.  It has been about a year and a half now with about 40 people on a good Sunday.  The pastor says things like this:  "If you are not free to NOT come to church, you are NOT free."  "If you are NOT free not to give, you are not free!" 

What????  This guy is actually NOT trying to build anything.  He is the freest man I have ever met. 

Well, all of that just to say hi again.  How is everyone?

Dave



      

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mcdave
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Posted: Nov-18-11 at 3:07pm | IP Logged  

I appreciate all the positive input. I esp liked the
quote about neither being in or out of a "church"
changing what we believe. I am hoping to be able to be
involved without falling into the "you HAVE to be
HERE" trap. On the other hand, I have been meeting a
few people and wonder how far down the rabbit hole
goes. Tomorrow i am having coffee with one of the co
pastors. that ought to be interesting not sure
if i let it all hang out or keep my mouth shut i
am trusting that when the time comes whether to speak
or not, not only will i know when but what to say or
not say.

      

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Dave S
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Posted: Nov-18-11 at 6:08pm | IP Logged  

If I could find a place where ALL could be ears AND ALL could be free to speak, then I may even be tempted.

As it is, I find ALL are ears, but only one speaks.

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mcdave
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Posted: Nov-18-11 at 10:22pm | IP Logged  

Dave S wrote:

If I could find a place where ALL
could be ears AND ALL could be free to speak, then I
may even be tempted.


As it is, I find ALL are ears, but only one speaks.




Yes

      

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the shovel
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Posted: Nov-20-11 at 6:44am | IP Logged  

Hello Dave .... dlinn, that is!

It's good to hear from you again on the Shack. It may take a few days for some of the others to catch up with you here. Yeah, not a lot of traffic here all the time, but folks do pop in from time to time.

I'm glad you've found a group of people that can encourage you in this life. That is a valuable thing, isn't it? :) I'd write more, but I'm working on the next Shovel Audio that Adam and I will be recording today.

Jim


      

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mcdave
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Posted: Nov-20-11 at 9:32am | IP Logged  

I had coffee with one of the pastors yesterday. The
theme that the church is using is "Up In Out". The
idea being we "connect with God(up), Come into
fellowship with others in the church and small
groups(in),and do some type of ministry either for
the operation of the church or outreach(out). I told
him i liked that but if I was going to be doing
it,it would start with Up, then move on to Up and of
course finish with Up. I said all things would flow
from the Up component even if that was our continual
focus. He at least humored me . Still seeing
how this will go but am appreciating my "online"
brothers and sisters more each day

Edited by mcdave on Nov-20-11 at 9:33am


      

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luvin
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Posted: Nov-20-11 at 11:29am | IP Logged  




   

      

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