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Biblical Interpretation
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Posted: Jun-09-02 at 11:40am | IP Logged  

Message by Bruce on  6/09/02 at 1:44 am  

<<< Jim, I realize that the verse I was speaking about may not have used those specific words and that I was using "spiritual" license by comparing scripture with scripture to help scripture enterpret itself.  I find that I do that a lot.  That's how I "read" things into how I see and interpret scripture.  I guess it isn't very systematic, or might not go with the context but to me it helps me to see the "big picture".  Kind of like those pictures that came out a few years back that looked real "fuzzy" and didn't really look like a picture at all...and the more you tried to see the picture the more you couldn't.  Then when you "give up" and relax and try not to "focus" at all...then "SUDDENLY"...the picture that was UNSEEN...appears before your eyes.  Somehow the pieces that didn't "seem" to connect...had hidden connections and created this beautiful three dimensional picture.

So...I naturally just connect what verses come to me spontaneously.  I guess it's wrong cause I never had anybody teach me the right way.  I think that is part of my "testimony".  I've always been the "square peg" that everybody tries to fit in a round hole. >>>

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Hello Bruce!

<<< I guess it's wrong cause I never had anybody teach me the right way. >>>

Hmmm ... sounds a little sarcastic ... are you being snippy with me, young man?  haha! 

I have to wonder why you would feel the need to hold on to a modified version of the mis-interpretation principles we learned at the Bible college?

<<< I realize that the verse I was speaking about may not have used those specific words and that I was using "spiritual" license by COMPARING SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE TO HELP SCRIPTURE ENTERPRET ITSELF.  I find that I do that a lot.  That's how I "read" things into how I see and interpret scripture. >>>

Now, there is validity in checking thoughts and statments by connecting them with other similar statements, but isn't this also how we learned to manipulate verses at FBC to make our doctrines fit?  Basically, we had our idea, and then we went looking for the best statements to back them up.

I had even applied "memory peg" techniques to these principles of interpretation ... of which I can only remember two or three connections right now, hahaha!  "Comparing Scripture with Scripture" was perhaps our most used (or was that "mis-used"?) principle.  The irony was that we had to totally trash the amazing reality Paul was declaring in 1 Corinthians 2:13 ("comparing spiritual things with spiritual") to give us the license to do that.

I am thrilled when anyone receives insight into this miraculous life we have in Christ - even if it comes through mis-applied statements, mis-information, totally unrelated events, or even confusion and delirium!!  :)  This miraculous reality in Christ does indeed appear as those fuzzy pictures that don't connect and then all of a sudden come together, but the "pieces that didn't 'seem' to connect" are not Bible verses taken out of context, but is the reality that our false perceptions have distorted.

<<< That's how I "read" things into how I see and interpret scripture. >>>

Though I have often commented on the living encouragements you have shared - and I am in no way taking any of those back - I have watched you fitting many of these mis-applied encouragements together (what you're terming "spiritual license") to insist upon an end result that seems very logical, and even Biblical. 

You see, nobody really wants to question statements (verses) taken out context when the overall message is so encouraging.  Some don't question it because they don't know that it doesn't really say what is being suggested and simply assume its meaning by the way it was used; and for some, to do so would appear as stomping on the encouragement of grace ... or "legalistic".  I have often read posts with the realization that some of the "strained interpretations" could easily come back as foundational building blocks of a larger system.

This approach to the Bible is what forces it into the realm of the "mysterious" instead of letting it be the simple testimony to the TRUE mystery: Christ, in us.  If it is simple, then its words are not clouded and veiled so that they need some formal education or special rules to unlock their meanings, but are straight-forward (Sure, there are many considerations anyone would have to make when dealing with writings from another time and culture).  But these "scriptural" words need to be seen for what they are, knowing they were written in originally understandable language, so that the "mystery" does not become perceived as a shared thing between the written word and the living Word.

As to being the square peg being forced into a round hole ... I think we all relate to that.  I'm only asking you if you might not be doing the same thing to some of the Bible verses you fit in to the bigger picture?

Love, Jim

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luvin
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Posted: Jun-09-02 at 3:11pm | IP Logged  

Dude!You are halarious!You and your :he he he.....funny-gives me agood lttle giggle.

      

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luvin
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Posted: Jun-09-02 at 3:17pm | IP Logged  

oops wrong post,sorry.

      

It is peace[the kind we long for] to know that my life patterns do not distract or derail the Living God"-Adam

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Posted: Jun-10-02 at 5:50am | IP Logged  

Quote: Originally posted by luvin on 6/09/02
oops wrong post,sorry.

Now THAT is funny!!!

Love you, brother!



      

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heretic - n 1: a person who holds beliefs in conflict with the dogma of the church.
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Valerie
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Posted: Jun-10-02 at 8:30am | IP Logged  

Bruce,

You didn't have an email address listed on your profile, so I have to contact you this way.

I am one who has been very interested in your posts about "eternal torment", and I'm sorry the topic seems to be so offensive to many.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't understand why discussion of doctrine is mutually exclusive from discussion of Christ in us.

Anyway, I'd better stop here. Be encouraged, Bruce.

Valerie
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Angie
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Posted: Jun-10-02 at 3:53pm | IP Logged  

Valerie,

I found a lot of information on the subject on Tentmaker.org a while back. Followed a link from Mike Williams' site. It had some interesting stuff, though I'm not promoting everything they teach.

I'm the type who feels the need to check out everything... question every doctrine I've been taught. I even went through the whole Christian area of Yahoo Geocities just to see what was out there!

Researching the hell thing, though, led me to not believe in eternal torment - though I haven't replaced it with any other theories either. I just don't feel the need!

Angie

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