Shovel Shack http://shovelshack.net/ Discusion Forum revolving around freedom in Christ http://shovelshack.net/ http://shovelshack.net/images/shackhead.gif Shovel Shack 48 48 en-us Copyright (c) 2008 the shovel Program Witch ASP Code 2.0 120 youremail@email.com (the shovel) youremail@email.com (the shovel) suffering? (Connie) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2238#37216 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2238#37216Fri, 09 May 2008 10:33:44 EDT Hey Real,

I'm blessed to read your witness to His power for you.  I've suffered some from that anxiety thing and have relied on a certain well known prescription to stave off the ugly physical effects of it. 

I can recall in times not so far distant when I would have looked down my nose on people relying on prescriptions to alleve their problems.  Not any longer.  I'll take any help I can get now. 

I've been humbled. The flesh has its own brand of existence and far be it from me to think there's any one way to navigate it.

]]> The Stuff of Grace Connie buzz words (Connie) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37215 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37215Fri, 09 May 2008 10:28:14 EDT Oh come on, Ron.  Speak your mind/heart, brother.  I'll receive it or I won't. That's the great thing about this place of grace.  One can take what they want and leave the rest.   There's nothing that says we HAVE to do anything one way or another, is there? 

Unless you were just kidding around and I didn't get it? In that case, as Roseanne Roseannadanna would say, "niver minnnd".

Connie39577.4431134259]]> Biblical Interpretation Connie suffering? (gregoryfl) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2238#37213 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2238#37213Fri, 09 May 2008 10:14:56 EDT

Ron
]]> The Stuff of Grace gregoryfl buzz words (nyagali) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37212 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37212Fri, 09 May 2008 10:07:16 EDT Hi Shannon, You said you were at church with your daughter...I've gone with our daughter a few times too and now she doesn't ask anymore and takes the kids now and then with her. I think it's been a good thing for her at this time in her life since our own group doesn't really work for kids at this time but that may change in the future--hopefully.Our own group has been meeting Sunday mornings now and sometimes I struggle with that because I'd rather be supporting her since her husband isn't a believer.  But then when I do go and she asks me what I thought of the service I have to try really hard to focus on what came out as truth, not on most of what I didn't like about it!! 

I lived on the word should for a lot of years and almost always catch myself saying it now.....almost :-)

joy

]]> Biblical Interpretation nyagali buzz words (gregoryfl) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37211 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37211Fri, 09 May 2008 10:06:54 EDT submit to your explanation. I know I should comment, but that would not be submitting to Shannon's new buzz word.  What is a man to do!??? gregoryfl39577.4216898148]]> Biblical Interpretation gregoryfl buzz words (Connie) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37210 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37210Fri, 09 May 2008 10:03:21 EDT [QUOTE=Dignz]
GOOD one!  that can about cover anything and everything, can't it? 
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It SHOULD. 

HA! HA! HA! I do crack myself up

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sublime, you all!

]]> Biblical Interpretation Connie buzz words (ShannonC) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37209 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37209Fri, 09 May 2008 09:59:35 EDT [QUOTE=Dignz]
GOOD one!  that can about cover anything and everything, can't it? 
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It SHOULD. 

HA! HA! HA! I do crack myself up

]]> Biblical Interpretation ShannonC buzz words (Dignz) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37208 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37208Fri, 09 May 2008 09:41:22 EDT

GOOD one!  that can about cover anything and everything, can't it? 
]]> Biblical Interpretation Dignz we’ve got a hobbit among us! :) (Dignz) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2240#37207 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2240#37207Fri, 09 May 2008 09:36:06 EDT   do you smoke a hobbit pipe, too?  are you one of the RARE hobbits who go on the occasional grand adventure, or do you prefer the peace and quiet or your hobbit home?  or it that hobbit hole?  oh no, i am thinking of those damned wabbits again. 

anyway ... soooo good to have ya here!! 

i just hope you enjoy hanging out with us is all.  

sherri
]]> WELCOMES Dignz buzz words (ShannonC) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37206 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37206Fri, 09 May 2008 09:33:51 EDT Here's one -

"Should" - used in a sentence - "You should read your Bible more."  To me "should" tells me how I don't measure up and how I am not pleasing.  There are other ways to use the word "should", but I don't like the use of it that way.  There is no fruit or life in it for me!

]]> Biblical Interpretation ShannonC buzz words (ShannonC) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37205 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37205Fri, 09 May 2008 09:31:50 EDT And the sad part about it is, within a traditional setting, the wives end up teaching the same damned abusive viewpoint about the submission! 

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That is SO TRUE. I had that happen to me.

]]> Biblical Interpretation ShannonC buzz words (Connie) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37204 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37204Fri, 09 May 2008 09:16:01 EDT Hi Ron,

I know that the context of those words is the key.  Within a loving, godly relationship there should be no problem!  For the wife, knowing of her husband's love, could submit without fear or feeling the need to defend herself against any abuse.

But, like you pointed out, when the men say those words or teach them, they tend to get skewed, imo.

And the sad part about it is, within a traditional setting, the wives end up teaching the same damned abusive viewpoint about the submission! 

If there's no male nor female in the Lord, and if we're told to submit to one another, I have to wonder how the skewed attitude has been promoted over the balanced one? Maybe because men are the ones that are mostly in leadership roles? I don't know.  I do know that since I've haven't attended church in a long time, those teachings really gall me when I hear them again.  Like I heard them recently at this church I've been going to with my daughter.

The true meaning can be gleaned for our marriage relationships as we learn who we are in Christ and see Him in action within our lives.  We see that essentially He is a servant to our needs and growth and He does it lovingly and graciously.  Not lording it over us.

Connie39577.3885532407]]> Biblical Interpretation Connie we’ve got a hobbit among us! :) (the shovel) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2240#37203 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2240#37203Fri, 09 May 2008 08:37:39 EDT

Jim :)
]]> WELCOMES the shovel understanding? (realrestisbest) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2223#37202 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2223#37202Thu, 08 May 2008 23:47:25 EDT   I think I would like to add a pic, but I'm not sure how to upload one.   [/QUOTE]

RealRest ... you can email a pic to me - jim@shovelshack.net - and I'll fix it up for you, if you want.

Jim :)


Awesome Jim!!  I'm not to computer savvy but I'll ask my husband to help me send one over!! Thanks a bunch!!
]]> Personal IC experiences realrestisbest understanding? (realrestisbest) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2223#37201 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2223#37201Thu, 08 May 2008 23:45:21 EDT
I would love to stay!!! 

]]> Personal IC experiences realrestisbest suffering? (realrestisbest) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2238#37200 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2238#37200Thu, 08 May 2008 23:41:34 EDT
He certainly shows me on a regular basis the root of my anxiety problems.  And he uses these problems to magnify his power in my life through my weakness. 


realrestisbest39576.9875925926]]> The Stuff of Grace realrestisbest i no longer believe. (nyagali) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2207#37199 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2207#37199Thu, 08 May 2008 23:04:01 EDT Hi Joyce, it sounds like you are still learning lots of this stuff yourself. Questions keep coming to my mind and this may be muddled. How is someone else going to tell you about your identity? And, why do we choose to believe them??? If we had nothing to read, how would we live? Would we think the same things as we presently do? We listen to what others have to say but what is God saying to ME/US personally?  When you read so much people write and listen to what they say, how do you know yourself what God is really saying if we spend so much time with what is "at hand" and taking up allour energy and time?  I really wonder where I would be if I hadn't read or listened to other people and their opinions of how this life is to be lived. Anyway.....I only have more questions as I read what you write. Certainly not expecting answers, it's just what I think when I read what you wrote.

When I asked my son if he has heard God he says he hasn't. I thought he had. I wonder about you too if you have really heard God or just listen to what other people say about him?

lots of questions! Joy

]]> Real Life in Christ nyagali why won’t god keep me from eating cake? (Rest and Trust) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2229#37198 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2229#37198Thu, 08 May 2008 22:10:25 EDT Rest and Trust wrote: Sensing the urging from the Spirit to speak something and speaking it no matter how it is received, is pretty cool though.

It may indeed sometimes be the spirit talking through me. It may also be my pathetic need for attention when I feel I'm starving for it, or the basic sense in me that I feel I am RIGHT most of the time, and feel I need to Prove it to the disbeliever. And if I AM right, does that make me anyless selfish and arrogant?

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Either way it is all in Christ: In His crucifixion or from His resurrection. Its His business to sort it all out. Your business is to know you are (inseparably) in Him and the rest is His business. I am thoroughly enjoying your perspective.
Rest and Trust39576.9247106481]]> Real Life in Christ Rest and Trust ’world’ (Rest and Trust) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2232#37197 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2232#37197Thu, 08 May 2008 21:40:59 EDT

Rich stuff there. And like Jim said the way you connected it together is great.



  ]]> Real Life in Christ Rest and Trust buzz words (gregoryfl) http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37196 http://shovelshack.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2239#37196Thu, 08 May 2008 20:46:28 EDT
One quick observation I would make about it is that it is written for wives, not husbands. In other words, for a husband to read it is to be reading someone else's mail, so to speak. To have a husband read it, so that he can tell his wife when she isn't submitting to him, isn't what Paul had in mind. Yet that is one way that abuse ends up happening. Anyway, any thoughts on the meaning?
gregoryfl39576.8692824074]]> Biblical Interpretation gregoryfl